McLea in Apprenticeship Records

[Andrew Lancaster4]

Hi Donald The DNA discussion group is private in the sense that you have to ask to join, and have a connection in some reasonable way. In other words, we are just trying to ensure that people feel comfortable that they are not being read by every person on the internet. I have encouraged several genealogists who I know to be seriously interested in MacLea, Livingston(e) or Boggs to keep a foot in the group, because you never know when they will see a hint to something the rest of us don't see. Tell me if you're interested. If you try to join on the webpage it will ask you to place a request which I will receive for approval. Regards Andrew

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Andrew, I was hoping we would have good news for Kyle. As that old history of the McLeas from the early 1800's revealed it is not easy to pinpoint the exact origins of the McLeas, Kyles or ours for that matter, apart from an apparent Ulster origin. They certainly weren't restricted to Argyll and I know absolutely nothing about the families outside of Argyll, so guess I am not much help to Kyle's research. For that matter I am still struggling as to which Dhunsliebhe our MacLeas may be descended from. The Young Bachiul based upon I assume the ancient Annals of Ulster and other sources makes a good arguement for our family  being descended from a different McDhunsliebhe and a different ancient Ulster family line than the one invisioned by Ian Montcrief in his informative book on the Clans. Niall has presented some plausible arguments in favour of his "alternative Dhunsliebhe", but I do have one question regarding the alternative Dhunsliebhe theory that I have been meaning to ask Niall for the last couple of months. regards Donald 

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Andrew, I was hoping we would have good news for Kyle. As that old history of the McLeas from the early 1800's revealed it is not easy to pinpoint the exact origins of the McLeas, Kyles or ours for that matter, apart from an apparent Ulster origin. They certainly weren't restricted to Argyll and I know absolutely nothing about the families outside of Argyll, so guess I am not much help to Kyle's research. For that matter I am still struggling as to which Dhunsliebhe our MacLeas may be descended from. The Young Bachiul based upon I assume the ancient Annals of Ulster and other sources makes a good arguement for our family  being descended from a different McDhunsliebhe and a different ancient Ulster family line than the one invisioned by Ian Montcrief in his informative book on the Clans. Niall has presented some plausible arguments in favour of his "alternative Dhunsliebhe", but I do have one question regarding the alternative Dhunsliebhe theory that I have been meaning to ask Niall for the last couple of months. regards Donald 

[Kyle2 MacLea]

Hey Donald -- I think we should move your Dhunsliebhe question to its own new thread.  This is a fascinating topic which should be much-discussed on the Forum!  We need to draw more attention to this -- under my 'Apprenticeship Records' thread, it might not be much attended! Kyle=

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Kyle, Its late, but I will put that question to the Young Bachuil regarding the alternative Ulster Dhunsliebhe ancestor in the next couple of days on a new thread as you have suggested. The Dhunsliebhe favoured by Montcrief had an early Maelmoire in the family line and supposedly other Argyll families were descended from this line however closer examination suggests our MacLeas probably do not descend from this Dhunsliebhe. See the main site for Young Bachuil's discussion on the old Ulster tribes, if you haven't got into that yet its well worth reading. regards Donald  

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Kyle, Its late, but I will put that question to the Young Bachuil regarding the alternative Ulster Dhunsliebhe ancestor in the next couple of days on a new thread as you have suggested. The Dhunsliebhe favoured by Montcrief had an early Maelmoire in the family line and supposedly other Argyll families were descended from this line however closer examination suggests our MacLeas probably do not descend from this Dhunsliebhe. See the main site for Young Bachuil's discussion on the Ulster Dhunsliebhes, if you haven't got into that yet its well worth reading. regards Donald  

[Andrew Lancaster4]

Great Donald "The Dunshléibhe Question" is certainly the archetechtonic question for all clan MacLea genealogy, and assisting such work is a major long run goal of the DNA project. We presumably all have some link to whoever this person was, whether through alliance or whatever. Rob and Niall have spent a lot of time on their two theories. There has been some fascinating work done by Rob recently, which I think is at least partly playing a role in Niall's own ideas also. I hope Niall will continue to make sure there is always a page somewhere on the website with whatever the latest version is of both their hypotheses. From the DNA side, a small update is that we have an Irish McAleavey and a Dunlavy in testing right now. We already know that the Irish families using Dunleavy based surnames are not one family, but it would be interesting to see if there any links at all between Scottish and Irish. Best Regards Andrew