Isle of Luing Farm and Croft Tenants 1730 and 1834

Kyle2 MacLea · Post by **Kyle2 MacLea** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:37 pm

Your idea, Jill, seems to jibe with Donald's intuition, and I'd say it sounds very plausible.

Jill Richmond · Post by **Jill Richmond** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:09 am

Hello Kyle, The whole of Luing is in the parish of Kilbrandon and Kilchattan. Regards, Jill

Andrew Lancaster4 · Post by **Andrew Lancaster4** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:42 pm

Donald was a popular name!

Andrew Lancaster4 · Post by **Andrew Lancaster4** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:46 pm

I also understand that Scotlands People has everything that survives at least in terms of normal church registers. Best Regards Andrew

Andrew Lancaster4 · Post by **Andrew Lancaster4** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:49 pm

I take it you did not examine shires to the south of Stirling, so could the Livingstons there have come north. Stirling is on the borders of highland and lowland and is quite close to Livingston itself. On the other hand, were there many Livingstons in EARLY parish registers in the lowlands? I think there are two healthy competing theories about that and I think I could probably argue the case either way! Are most Livingston(e)s highlanders by ancient origin or lowlanders? Best Regards Andrew

Canadian Livingstone · Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:21 pm

Hi Jill, Congratulations!!! You are exactly correct. Ardloing is obviously Ard, Isle of Luing. I kept seeing Ard this and Ard that on the map of Luing so I suspected it was connected to that Island, but wasnt certain. As you can see from the records that Kyle and I have located regarding Isle of Luing pertaining to McOnleas prior to the 1750's it appears probable that the reason the name disappears in the Kilbrandon-Kilchatton Parish records in the 1750's is that the locals connected to Highland Clan McOnlea changed their name with their neighbouring McOnleas in the early 1750's. As Kyle has stated it is worth further checking out these Kilbrandon-Kilchatton records. David copied the Livingstones that show up as early as 1753 in these Parish records and unless they are lowland Livingstone that transplanted themselves in the highlands, they are indeed McONleas who recently changed their name to Livingstone under the directives of the Clan Chief not too far away on the Isle of Lismore. As your ancestors came from Isle of Luing you will no doubt know or be interested in the fact that there is a Isle of Luing Historical Society. I have not found a means to contact them, but I am in the process of trying. The Island itself has a website. regards Donald

Jill Richmond · Post by **Jill Richmond** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:44 pm

Hello Donald, I am sorry I have not replied to your posting, but I have been away for the past week. I'm glad we seem to have sorted the Ardloing mystery. I was not specific enough in my earlier posting, but the Airds of Luing would have been in Kilchattan parish. Although my 3xgreat aunt was born on Luing in 1785, I have a suspicion that the family was gradually moving in a southerly direction. I can find no record of my 3xgreat grand parents marriage there and by 1791 they were resident in Craignish, which is a bit further south. Thank you for the tip about the Luing Historical Society. They might know more about Livingstons on the Isle of Luing. Regards, Jill

Canadian Livingstone · Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:14 pm

Hi Jill, I sent the Luing Historical Society and e-mail, but they have not yet responded. I was curious where they got the 1730 data from that mentioned Maconlea and McLea. The fact that they mentioned that specific date made me think that they have access to some old tenant records from this period. I have been carefully recording for my own interest, every Western Argyll record of Dunslea and Maconleas etc. that I can find prior to the name change. George Black in the 1940's located quite a few of the old records for "Surnames of Scotland", but there are other odd ones that different folks have come across over the years pertaining to Western Argyll. I have done guite a bit of research on our Dun and Sliebh and have found some interesting basic facts about these two gaelic words which I discuss shortly. Suffice to say the evolution of these two words is virtually the same in both in Gaelic Scotland and Ireland and similiar gaelic words show some of the same changes to a more anglicised form. Anglicised gaelic is a new term to me, but it does explain alot in terms of the changes that took place from Dhunnsliebhe or Dunnsliebhe to something as simple as Dunsleeve or Dunslee. The drop of the d was another change in a series of changes to follow. regards Donald

Jill Richmond · Post by **Jill Richmond** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:36 pm

Thank you for this information Donald. Just a snippet of information: a cousin of mine told me a little while ago that there is a William Livingstone buried in the churchyard on Luing. I seem to remember that it was an eighteenth century grave. I am going to be away again for a week, but I will quizz her again about this when I return. Regards, Jill

Chris Turner · Post by **Chris Turner** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:08 pm

My mothers maiden name was LUING. We can trace her family back to 1700 in Oxfordshire. Is there any way we can find out whether the surname of Luing ever lived or had connections with the Isle of Luing.