McLea in Apprenticeship Records

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Kyle, If your a bit confused about any the info so far discussed you can always backtrack a bit an go back to past posts/my discussions with the Young Bachuil in 2004 and 2005 in which he answers alot of the questions regarding the Livingstones. There are more than a few unanswered questions regarding our fammily origins, and a few theories have been proposed over the years. As you have probably noticed by now, not everyone is in agreement on these theories and obviously they continue to debated. And of course there is the main site with all kinds of info that the Young Bachuil (Niall Livingstone) has put together. Robert's recent letter got me thinking about another couple of questions I have and hopefully I can generate a discussion. You mentioned that there were McCains in Ireland I think it was that were some sort of match to your DNA or came close. I don't know much about the McCains in Ireland, but it is interesting that one group of highland MCCains from Ardnamurchan (sorry if I spelled that wrong) went to Ireland in 1600's or 1700's. THer is info on this on one of their family websites I think. Ardnamurchan is not that far from where my own McLea/ Maconleas lived at that time. Don't know if this any help, but probably worth you checking out since they lived near our MacLeas I think at one point. regards Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Andrew, Then are you saying you don't know about the other private Livingstone forum or support it? Donald

[Kyle2 MacLea]

Dear Donald, When I do have a chance to go back and do so, I will read the archives some more.

[Kyle2 MacLea]

The only 'private' forum that I am aware of is the one specifically for the DNA project.

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Andrew, With all due respect, three people contributing is a far cry from 2004 when were all participating on a regular basis as a unified clan. I'm sorry but I have to be honest. I am not seeing that now. Lets have an open exchange/debate of ideas that benefits everyone. regards Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Kyle, I was surprised when you said you were not connected to our McLeas as I have at first speculated that you were descended from some highland McLeas that had gravitated to the Lowlands looking for work. Then again I realize that you could be from a McLea group located for centuries in the lowlands that I know nothing about. Anyways to make a long story short I was curious about exactly where this McCain clan came from. My brother-in-law had neighbours who were McCains and I was curious whether they were Irish or Scottish or both. I do actually read about other clans than MacLeas or Livingstones you know when I have the time. It is also likely that my Livingstone ancestor had McINnes, Campbell or McLean ancestry, but I unfortunately don't know that for certain at this point. Try this site. THis particular page mentions that after Glencoe the McCains or at least some of them fled to Ireland.

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Kyle, Thanks Kyle for the update on that question. I am sorry I really dont know anything about the DNA research on that site, so I cant comment one way or another about it. I did not know that Andrew was doing a DNA research project on the Livingstones. It is as you state a private Livingstone site. regards Donald

[Kyle2 MacLea]

Dear Donald, I have to admit to being a little surprised that you haven't heard of our wonderful DNA project!

[Kyle2 MacLea]

Dear Donald, I am unsure of the origins of my family, nor where the McCains or Henrys that I match come from either.  You can read more about them on these websites, though some of the thoughts on origins are speculation: http://www.mckane.waterloo.on.ca/route/main.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... sults1.htm Basically, the McCains are from County Antrim in N. Ireland.  My family is known to have come from Glasgow (for 3 generations) before the States.  I believe that they originated on the Isle of Bute before that.  There are numerous McLeas, MacLeas, and McOnLeas in the Rothesay Parish records going back to the beginning of available records in the 1690s.  I suspect that they were there for awhile before that, because of the numbers.  There were still McLeas there in the mid-1800s, though not very many.  I haven't been able to find any who remain there, though I am not sure. It appears our cluster has people with a known history of being in Western Scotland and people with a known history of being in Antrim and the Route in N. Ireland.  It is unclear at this time whether the family 'originated' in Ireland and my branch came to Scotland later, or if the family 'originated' in Scotland and part of the family went to Ireland later.  We have had many theories, but no good proof either way just yet! Still, I feel very certain of my family's Scottish heritage in the vicinity of mid-1600s to the mid-1800s.  They may have come from elsewhere before that, but not after.  What the relationship is between my family and that of the Chief, I am not sure.  It is clear that we don't share a common patrilineal ancestry.  But that doesn't mean we weren't part of the Clan, per se, anyway. I choose to believe that there was a relationship between my family and that of the Lismore Clan, but I can make no proof in that regard.  That's where we stand these days! Kyle=

[Andrew Lancaster4]

Hi Donald I think Kyle's MacLeas very likely have the same roots as the clan. But what the DNA shows is that not every paternal line in most clans is the same. (Many imagine that it is.) In Kyle's particular case, I personally envisage that his paternal line goes back to Lorne, and from their back to Ireland, perhaps in the early Middle Ages. His closest DNA matches include Scots but mostly families from the precise region where the Dal Riada left - the so called Route. Best Regards Andrew (with his DNA project hat on)