Dr David Livingstone

Andrew Lancaster5 · Post by **Andrew Lancaster5** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 3:10 pm

Dear Niall In other versions of the history of the missionary's family, he descends from a John. In a legenadry version on Rob's website for example http://pages.sbcglobal.net/rlivingston1488 , it is John of Ballachulish, who is presumably a relative of your family, but not in such a direct way as in the 2 trees you propose. Both your versions also have in common that they have 3 Neils in a row leading to the missionary, whereas some of the versions around only have 2 (which is hard to believe given the timing involved, but seems to be legend based?). Best Regards Andrew

Bachuil · Post by **Bachuil** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 11:27 am

Expanding on the David Livingstone connections with Bachuil, as far as I can make out he descends from Baron Dougal. An alternate version has him descend from a Ballachulish branch. The first version was written a hundred years ago by Alexabder Carmichael who published widely at the time and whose research and local knowledge cannot be lightly dismissed. http://www.clanlivingstone.com/the_baro ... achuil.htm has one article published in 1909. Bear in mind that David was a Victorian hero, the like of which we do not have today. A recent BBC TV program on David Livingstone in a series called “Scotland’s Empire” made this point well. As David only died in 1873, in 1900 his memory would still have been fresh in peoples minds and they would have little trouble recalling events two or three generation earlier. David Livingstone was the second son of Neil Livingstone and Agnes Hunter. He was born at Blantyre, March 19, 1813 From various works at Bachuil (all in the public domain) we believe that the most commonly accepted version is: 1 Dougal Baron of Bachuil b: c 1680, Bachuil Lismore ..... 2 Neil b c 1715 (would be 30 at Culloden in 1745) ............. 3 Neil b: in Kilninian or Appin Parish, Argyll (folklore) ........…. +Mary Morrison b: in Morvern Parish, Argyll (folklore) m: 27 Dec, 1774 in Lettermore, Parish of Kilninian & Kilmore ……………[therefore Neil was probably born 1734 – 1754. If we assume it was two years after Culloden this would be in 1747 – It all stacks up!] ..................... 4 Neill Livingstone b: 30 Nov, 1788 in Ulva, Parish of Kilninian and Kilmore, Argyll d: 10 Feb, 1856 ..................... + Agnes Hunter b: Abt. 1782 d: 18 Jun, 1865 m: 2 Dec, 1810 in Blantyre, Lanarkshire However, an article by Alexander Carmichael in ‘The Celtic Review' ( see http://www.clanlivingstone.com/the_baro ... achuil.htm) varies from the above only inasmuch as the father of Neil (who married Agnes Hunter) is described as Donald Livingstone (the son of Neil Livingstone) who married a Catherine Livingstone from Kerrara. “Donald Livingstone, the son of Neil Livingstone, was in the local Fencibles of his day. During the annual drills at Oban and Stirling he made the acquaintance of his namesake and distant kinswoman, Catherine Livingstone, whose father was a farmer at Bailemore in Kerrara, opposite Oban.” The detail that Carmichael produces is impressive and needs to be taken seriously. Source - "Tall Tales of an Island" 1 John Livingstone b: in Ballachulish, Parish of Appin, Argyll (folklore) ..... 2 Neil Livingstone b: in Kilninian or Appin Parish, Argyll (folklore) .........+Mary Morrison b: in Morvern Parish, Argyll (folklore) m: 27 Dec, 1774 in Lettermore, Parish of Kilninian & Kilmore ......... 3 Neil Livingstone b: 30 Nov, 1788 in Ulva, Parish of Kilninian and Kilmore, Argyll d: 10 Feb, 1856 ............. +Agnes Hunter b: Abt. 1782 d: 18 Jun, 1865 m: 2 Dec, 1810 in Blantyre, Lanarkshire Rob has put this page up http://pages.sbcglobal.net/rlivingston1488/dd9.htm . I don’t know how much credence to give this source - "tall tales"??. Regards to all, Niall

Frank McLeod · Post by **Frank McLeod** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 5:25 am

Dr David is quoted as saying his ggrandfather died at Culloden 1746. This would be number 5. Neil, who could not sire Neil c. 1752 m. Mary Morrison. Some sources say John Livingstone was the one who died. sons Neil and Donald survived 1 b. c. 1728 (18 when he saved 1 1 the Stewart banner. 1 Neil c. 1752 bros. Hugh,John,Duncan,Angus 1 and Donald 1770 1 Neil 1788 1 David 1813 Could David have meant gggrandfather?

Andrew Lancaster5 · Post by **Andrew Lancaster5** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:28 pm

What is the source of the quotation of Dr Livingstone?

Bachuil · Post by **Bachuil** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:32 pm

One source is Livingstone the Liberator p26 by James L MacNair, Collins. I have always been informed that this is one of the most reliable of sources. "He tells us that his grandfather tilled a small farm on the Island of Ulva - not far from Oban - and that his great-great-grandfather died 'fighting for the old line of kings'..... The narrative later continues on the same page "for he stressed the saying of one of his people 'that he could never discover a dishonest man amongst our forefathers'......" And then continues "A tradition of considerable definiteness connects them with the Barons of Bachuill'" This appears reliable - grandfather on Mull, g-g-grandfather fighting for the old line. Regards, Niall

Andrew Lancaster5 · Post by **Andrew Lancaster5** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:22 pm

Dear Niall You have 2 "g's" before "grand" and Mr MacLeod has 1. So what would be Mr MacLeod's source? Best Regards Andrew

Frank McLeod · Post by **Frank McLeod** » Mon May 24, 2004 7:42 pm

This is my 5th attempt to reply ;Niall says the problem has been fixed. The quote is from "Personal Life of David Livingstone" by Blaikie. 'Livingstone has told us most that is known of his forefathers; how his greatgrandfather died at Culloden--' Blaikie seems to have misquoted since it must indeed be great great grandfather.

Bachuil · Post by **Bachuil** » Mon May 24, 2004 11:15 pm

I am wearing sack cloth and ashes. I kept looking at the forum and thinking that it had gone quiet! An email on Friday alerted me to the problem. Good to see you back. Niall

Alex Maxwell Findlater · Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:26 pm

In a family tree in my possession I have an Alexander Findlater married to Elizabeth Livingstone "3rd cousin to Dr Livingstone". He was born in 1809; they were married in 1849, emigrated to Australia in 1855 and he died in 1875 at Milang. They were the parents of Col Daniel Findlater, who was a racehorse owner and keen follower of the turf. As Elizabeth was third cousin of Dr David, perhaps this would take us back into the disputed territory (the debatable lands?) and give a cross-reference to assist.

Andrew Lancaster2 · Post by **Andrew Lancaster2** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:39 pm

Any idea where the marriage happened, or anything else before it? Best Regards Andrew Lancaster Belgium