Angus Livingstone& Margaret (Hall/McPhail), Shiaba, Mull

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,
I noticed one Neil Livingston who served in WW1 with the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders in your list. Highland Livingstons have a long tradition since the 1750's of serving in the British Army. First utilized with other Argyll men in the French and Indian Wars in North America in the 1750's, Livingstons of Argyll origin, have served in a number of British military campaigns over the years. The British Regiment of Frazers Highlanders formed in the 1750's was commanded by Simon Fraser a former highland Jacobite officer whose father Lord Lovat had been imprisoned and subsequently executed for his support of the Jacobite cause in the Rebellion of 1745. The sons of former highland jacobites became a great asset to the British Army and the highland Scots contributed greatly to British Army in the years after the Battle of Culloden. There were several Livingstons apparently in Frazer Highlanders during the French and INdians Wars in the 1750's as well as in the Montgomery's Highlanders Regiment. Life in the Army and Navy in the 18th and 19th century for rank and file was full of hardship, but it was an alternative to severe poverty and a means to help support the impoverished highland family back home in Argyll. Your ancestor ANgus Livingston (b.abt. 1775) in Shiaba, Ross of Mull certainly improved his lot in life by serving in the Army in Ireland when an invasion from France was of great concern and no doubt his military pension was of great benefit to the family on Ross of Mull and later when he was residing on neigbhouring Colonsay.

Dr. Livingston's Uncles served during the Napoleonic War. One in the Navy and the others apparently in the Army. Dr. Livingstone's grandson Herbert Livingston Wilson understood that they were at the Battle of Waterloo. There were definitely Scottish Livingstons at Waterloo. I have seen Livingstons on a list who were privates at Waterloo but dont know if they were Dr. Livingstone's Uncles or not.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,
I think you mentioned a while back that you are returning to Scotland. If so I have found in the Carmichael collection at the University of Edinburgh a file of Carmichael's research material from the 1890's which focuses on Donald Livingston 1728-1816 of MOrvern hero of culloden but what I really interested in the information included in this collection regarding Donald Livingston's six sons and 2 daughters. If this info can be located in this old research collection I am hoping to be able to compare the information on the six sons and 2 daughters with my own research regarding Donald Livingston's Morvern family in the 1700's and 1800's that I have recently uncovered. If was wondering if you could retreive the information on Donald Livingston six sons and 2 daughters from this file of the Carmichael Collection. YOu may be able to access the documents I am looking for in this Carmichael Collection from the University of Edinburgh without going to the University of Edinburgh but I am not certain what services they offer. I have the information regarding the specific file if you have a chance to locate this info sometime. i am thinking it probably easier for someone residing in Scotland to get their hands on this information.

regards,

Donald

[jmlivingstone]

Hi Donald,

Just got my ticket, will be back in Scotland on 13-14 June, I've got a lot to do when I get home, so, it will probably be a couple of months before I'll have a chance to try to get the information you are looking for.

The first chance I get, I'll see what I can find out for you,

John

[jmlivingstone]

Hi Donald,

Is the full name The Carmichael Watson Project ??,

John.

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,
Whenever you are able. Yes I think it is part of that Carmichael Watson collection with the ALexander Carmichael papers at the University of Edinburgh. Here is the information pertaining to the particular item I am interested in regarding Donald Livingstone of Savary, Morvern that is said to include some info on his six sons and 2 children. I have located info on some of the sons and one daughter who all died in Argyll in the 19th century and it would be interesting to compare the info I found with what Alexander Carmichael learned from Livingstones he talked to in the late 19th century in Morvern Lismore and Appin. It is probably just a page or two within this large collection of ALexander Carmichaels notes to be sure, but it appears to be possibly some info on Donald Livingstones Savary, Morvern family that I may have not seen before. His sons and daughters all died by the 1860's but there would have some folks in the late 1800's in Western Argyll who would of probably had some knowledge of the family and knew them that might have passed some signficant info to Carmichael.
This info below should help find the file I am looking for. I dont think I have the title exactly as it was written but I have the reference information listed to locate it as I saw it.

University of Edinburgh Centre for Research Collections Special COllections Archival Resources
Genealogical notes on Donald Livingstone family with story of the Battle of Culloden
Reference Code GB237 Col-97 CW126f/68
Location: CW102-121


regards,

Donald

[jmlivingstone]

An update on Hugh Livingstone & Jean Shannon + family;

1. Jean Shannon died 11 May 1863, age 44 yrs, at 5 Union St., Calton, Glasgow, her parents were Robert Shannon, occ. flesher, & Mary Cameron.

2. Hugh Livingstone, died 13 Sept. 1858, age 13 yrs., at 12 James St., Calton, Glasgow.

Still looking for remaining members of this leg of the family,

John.

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,
I guess your enjoying being back in Scotland. Good to see that your making progress with Hugh Livingston and family. I hoping that in the future we can make sense of the origins of our particular group of Livingstone ancestors in Western Argyll. Lots of good summer reading ahead for me. All the best.

Donald

[jmlivingstone]

Hi Donald,

It's nice to be back, even if weather is more like late autumn than summer, suppose I'll eventually get used to the cold.

I've also found Hugh & Jeans daughter Margaret, they do not appear to have had a lot of luck with the family, Margaret also died young in Glasgow, details to be posted later,

John

[b9russell]

Hi John & Donald
I've been outwith UK a lot since last December (just back from Florida).
Now back catching up with the forum.

Re the Carmichael Watson collection at University of Edinburgh.
John, if you don't manage to get there, I'll volunteer to do it.
I live 20mins west of Edinburgh airport.
I could do it in about 2 weeks time.
I have to fit it in between holidays (next stop Vancouver Island).

Let me know
Jim Russell

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Jim and John,

Update on the University of Edinburgh libraries Alexander Carmichael Collection in their special collections

I am looking for the brief notes mentioning Donald Livingston of Savary, Morvern's 6 sons and 2 daughters included in a section of Alexander Carmichaels Field notes section 68 which is apparently titled Genealogical Notes of the Livingston family and a story from the Battle of Culloden according to the library info.

The library info you would need to find this section 68 which apparently contain brief info I am looking for on the 6 sons and 2 daughter of Donald Livingstone 1728-1816 of Savary, MOrvern is Reference Code GB237 Coll-97/cw126f/68 and is part of the Field NOtebook belonging to Alexander Carmichael located in location shelf Cw 113. I have been doing some research in the last year or two on Donald Livingstone's sons and one daughter and I am curious if Carmichael stated their names in his notes from 1893. It may only be a few lines or paragraph but according to the library notes it is mentioned in section 68 along with info on Donald at the Battle of Culloden apparently. He later used these notes I suspect in his article on Donald Livingstone but I dont recall it mentioning the names of his children in any detail so I am curious if it does in these field notes.

Any help from either of you chaps with a visit to the library would be greatly appreciated when you have the time. There is also a number of other interesting notes relating to Bachuil Livingstones in the Field Notebook.

regards,

Donald