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Re: King and Queen Co., VA Livingstons

Postby Greg Livingston » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:43 pm

Thank you for the very nice summary, Catherine. I was thinking that my James David Livingston could have been the grandson of your John Jr but with the connection to the Poropotank Livingstons that is out. My DNA connection is to the Dr. David group.

One area I would suggest you visit in Scotland would be the Isle of Lismore. That is where our Chief lives and runs a guest house or B&B as we would call them. You can take a look at it here if you are interested http://www.bachuilcountryhouse.co.uk/
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Re: King and Queen Co., VA Livingstons

Postby CatherineAllene » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:23 pm

What a lovely bed and breakfast in Lismore! Unfortunately, I do not think we will make it to the west coast area. We have friends in Glasgow and plan to spend a day or so in Edinburgh, Glasgow, and travel up to Inverness. This forum seems to think there is absolutely no way our Livingstons are from the Lismore area and, since this is a family research trip, we plan to browse about in areas they may have been.

If anyone thinks they may be descended from the Essex and King and Queen county, VA, Livingstones [Levistone] please contact me. I and my brother , Jon Correll, have tested on Ancestry and my brother, James Correll tested on 23 and me.

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Re: King and Queen Co., VA Livingstons

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Mon May 06, 2019 1:00 pm

Hi Catharine,
I am exploring the notion that your Livingston ancestors in Virginia and later South Carolina are connected to a John Livingston 1613-1704 the 6th titled Livingston of Dunipace of DUnipace, Stirlingshire, Scotland who may be the John Livingston who is recorded as having arrived with some other settlers in Virginia around 1650. The challenge however seems to be able prove somehow that John Orrell Livingston is for certain the son of John Livingston 1716-1752 and Frances Moscoe. One possible clue would be to establish for a fact that the Orrell family resided in King and Queen County, Virginia as one researcher has mentioned. I dont know why John's middle name was Orrell but I would think it quite likely there is some earlier family connection. Orrells I found out definitely were an old Virginia family and they well have lived in that part of Virginia at the same time.

Interestingly and complicating this early Virginia Livingston reach may be that more than one old Livingston family possibly two connected to Virginia with different blood lines has information that they are connected to the original John Livingston who settled in Virginia back in the 1650's connected to the Dunipace, Stirlingshire, Scotland Livingston family that was a branch of the old Callendar Livingston family. I am not certain about the second one because I have not found too much detailed ancestral line for them but they also believe they are connected to the early Livingstons that lived in Poropotank, Virginia. Hope to eventually figure out why there is more than one Livingston family line linking themselves to original Poropotank Virginia Livingston settlers. I think the best approach however for the moment is to try to understand as a best I can your and Robin's possible Poropotank LIvingston ancestry based on what the info available seems to be suggesting.


This may be your Livingston family of Dunipace, Stirlingshire, Scotland who later settled and resided in Poropotank Creek Virginia area going back to beginning of the 17th century
1. A Sir John Livingston according to early 17th century records had some early involvement with King James the First and the original London Company involved with the establishment of the Virginia Colony around 1606. I think one assumption is that this earlier John Livingston was the grandfather of John Livingston 6th of Dunipace, Stirlingshire if I have understood this correctly.

2. David Livingston 5th Livingston of Dunipace, Stirlingshire, Scotland went into bankruptcy in the 1730's

3. Sir John Livingston 1613-1704 ( 6th Livingston of Dunipace?) Records indicate that he was unable to pay his creditors being in debt and in consequence of that in 1635 lost his claim to his families Dunipace property. Information from the 1640's indicate that Sir John continued to experience financial problems and in December of 1750 a John Livingston is recorded as arriving in Virginia at this time which could be Sir John formerly of Dunipace. Again I don't know whether there any proof that this John Livingston was the 6th Livingston of Dunipace Sir John Livingston, but it could be. It is also known from a record that by the same year 1650 of his arrival a John Livingston was located on land situated along the Poropotank Creek. In 1653 John Livingston acquired 400 acres on the west side of Poropotank Creek.

4.John L b. 1654 New Kent County later King and Queen County, Virginia d. 1718 King and Queen County, Virginia
5. John Livingston b. 1688 King and Queen County, Virginia d. 1762 King and Queen County Virginia m. Margaret Todd
6. John Livingston b.1716 King and Queen County, Virginia d. 1752 Jamaica coast m. Frances Muscoe

The problem that I am finding connecting your John Livingston b.abt 1745 is that I can't find information proving that John Orrell Livingston is the son of John Livingston and Frances Muscoe. It appears from one source that his sons were Thomas Livingston, Moscoe and a John Livingston but this seems to suggest that this was not your John Livingston ancestor. The son Thomas appears to be according to one source the father of a William Todd Livingston. I can not find as yet definite proof that John Orrell Livingston and William Todd Livingston were first cousins. I think they both ended up same part of South Carolina if I understood correctly and that might indicate they are related in some way.

7. John Orrell Livingston b. 1745 Virginia d. 1825 Wilkes County, North Carolina m. Lucinda Martin (your Livingston ancestor who moved from Virginia to South Carolina)
8. John Livingston m. second wife Mary Dyson
9. Caroline Livingston 1841-1896

How does your cousin Robin's ancestral line differ from yours? I assume as a third cousin that you share the same ancestor John Orrell Livingston b. abt. 1745 in Virginia?

I noticed there is a book by Lucille Barco Coone called Livingstons of Virginia published in 1990. Apparently out of print and not easy to get a copy of.

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