Here is the photo that Margaret mentioned:
http://www.clanlivingstone.info/copperm ... um=6&pos=0
Slate Quarriers at Ballachulish.
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My Livingston(e) Line
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Kyle MacLea
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Re: Slate Quarriers at Ballachulish
Kyle S. MacLea
Clan Society Life Member; DNA Project Co-Admin
New Hampshire, USA
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Clan Society Life Member; DNA Project Co-Admin
New Hampshire, USA
kyle -dot- maclea -at- gmail -dot- com
Re: My Livingston(e) Line
Margaret...YOU ROCK!
Look here. We know that Donald (b 1802) was the Father of this Dugald who ..was the father of these children..and at least one of them, Donald (My GGGG grandfather) was also a quarry man. Dugald also had brothers named, Donald, CHARLES, Alexander (d.1849), Angus and Ewen. Who could have been quarry men as well. THey would have been pretty old for the times (60-70), but younger Donald's generation would have been 20-35.....JOHN, CHARLES, DUNCAN, Dugald & James.
That might be a picture with THREE BROTHERS in it!!!!
Dugald Livingston(e) born abt. 1838 or 1839 –stone dresser- West Laroch Village,Southern Ballachulish, Appin Parish,Glencoe District, County of Argyll,in Highland Scotland
Catharine McDonald of Ballachulish
Married November 28,1861 at Furnace(?) Cumlodden Parish, County of Argyll
Known Children
Donald born May 3,1863 Glasgow as recorded in the Glasgow High Church records
John born March 14,1866 Ballachulish, Appin Parish (St. John's Episcopal Church Records Ballachulish)
Charles born Oct. 10, 1868 Bonawe,Ardchattan Parish
Duncan born abt. 1870/1871 Bonawe,Ardchattan Parish
Dugald born Sept. 11,1873 Ardchattan Parish either in village of Bonawe or Kenacraig
Catharine born abt. 1876 Ardchattan Parish either in village of Bonawe or Kenacraig
James born abt. 1878 Ardchattan Parish either in village of Bonawe or Kenacraig
Mary born abt. 1880 Ardchattan Parish either in village of Bonawe or Kenacraig
Look here. We know that Donald (b 1802) was the Father of this Dugald who ..was the father of these children..and at least one of them, Donald (My GGGG grandfather) was also a quarry man. Dugald also had brothers named, Donald, CHARLES, Alexander (d.1849), Angus and Ewen. Who could have been quarry men as well. THey would have been pretty old for the times (60-70), but younger Donald's generation would have been 20-35.....JOHN, CHARLES, DUNCAN, Dugald & James.
That might be a picture with THREE BROTHERS in it!!!!
Dugald Livingston(e) born abt. 1838 or 1839 –stone dresser- West Laroch Village,Southern Ballachulish, Appin Parish,Glencoe District, County of Argyll,in Highland Scotland
Catharine McDonald of Ballachulish
Married November 28,1861 at Furnace(?) Cumlodden Parish, County of Argyll
Known Children
Donald born May 3,1863 Glasgow as recorded in the Glasgow High Church records
John born March 14,1866 Ballachulish, Appin Parish (St. John's Episcopal Church Records Ballachulish)
Charles born Oct. 10, 1868 Bonawe,Ardchattan Parish
Duncan born abt. 1870/1871 Bonawe,Ardchattan Parish
Dugald born Sept. 11,1873 Ardchattan Parish either in village of Bonawe or Kenacraig
Catharine born abt. 1876 Ardchattan Parish either in village of Bonawe or Kenacraig
James born abt. 1878 Ardchattan Parish either in village of Bonawe or Kenacraig
Mary born abt. 1880 Ardchattan Parish either in village of Bonawe or Kenacraig
Re: My Livingston(e) Line
Do we know how the people are listed in the photo? Right to Left? Bottom to Top? Is there anything in the book that might tell that?
If I go from bottom to top from right to left on each row I would say there is a definite family resemblance between 10, 11 & 31. If I go from top to bottom I see the same thing except 31 would have to be Old Donald's son, Charles born May 10,1840. The uncle to John & Dugald.
What do you think?
Ginger
If I go from bottom to top from right to left on each row I would say there is a definite family resemblance between 10, 11 & 31. If I go from top to bottom I see the same thing except 31 would have to be Old Donald's son, Charles born May 10,1840. The uncle to John & Dugald.
What do you think?
Ginger
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Margaret Stewart
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Re: My Livingston(e) Line
Hi Ginger
Hard to know about the numbering of the photograph but I would assume it to be from the back row reading left to right.
It would be great if the Livingstons in the photograph turned out to be your ancestors. I am about to scan more photographs to send to Kyle but while you may find them interesting I'm afraid there are no names attached.
Kind regards
Margaret
Hard to know about the numbering of the photograph but I would assume it to be from the back row reading left to right.
It would be great if the Livingstons in the photograph turned out to be your ancestors. I am about to scan more photographs to send to Kyle but while you may find them interesting I'm afraid there are no names attached.
Kind regards
Margaret
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Re: My Livingston(e) Line
Hi Ginger and Margaret.
Remember old Donald's son Dugald left Ballachulish and the mine community by his 1861 marriage and after going back to Ballachulish briefly in the 1860's he was living in another parish in Argyll so he or his sons would not be in that Ballachulish picture. By the late 1800's your family Ginger was long gone from Ballachulish though relatives of Dougal and his sons that left likely abounded in the area.Those in the picture could be cousins of Dougal and his sons perhaps. There were so many Livingstons in the Ballachulish area and more than one family group I have discovered so I have to be careful after what we are finding out from the DNA testing to say anything with complete certainty. Probably some of Dougal's brother's family could be in that photo.I have not really checked that out as yet. Would West Laroch, Ballachulish be closest to the west quarry I wonder?
Remember the 1851 Census indicated that Dugald had three brothers Angus Charles and Ewen. Is there a Angus, Charles or Ewen in the photo? They were born in the 1830's and 1840's so they would be in their fifties or sixties by the 1890's if that is when the picture was taken.
regards.
Donald
Remember old Donald's son Dugald left Ballachulish and the mine community by his 1861 marriage and after going back to Ballachulish briefly in the 1860's he was living in another parish in Argyll so he or his sons would not be in that Ballachulish picture. By the late 1800's your family Ginger was long gone from Ballachulish though relatives of Dougal and his sons that left likely abounded in the area.Those in the picture could be cousins of Dougal and his sons perhaps. There were so many Livingstons in the Ballachulish area and more than one family group I have discovered so I have to be careful after what we are finding out from the DNA testing to say anything with complete certainty. Probably some of Dougal's brother's family could be in that photo.I have not really checked that out as yet. Would West Laroch, Ballachulish be closest to the west quarry I wonder?
Remember the 1851 Census indicated that Dugald had three brothers Angus Charles and Ewen. Is there a Angus, Charles or Ewen in the photo? They were born in the 1830's and 1840's so they would be in their fifties or sixties by the 1890's if that is when the picture was taken.
regards.
Donald
Re: My Livingston(e) Line
Dugald born abt. 1838 or 1839 (son of Donald b. 1802) had a brother named Charles who was born May 10,1840 .. So he could be the old man Charles #31 in the picture. Donald b. May 3, 1863 had several brothers, two of which were John born March 14,1866 Ballachulish, and Duncan born abt. 1870/1871 Bonawe,Ardchattan Parish, which easily could be #10 & #11 who look like brothers (or so I'd like to think)
Maybe Duncan went back from Bonawe,Ardchattan Parish to Ballachulish to work in the quarry with his brother John and uncle Charles?
The only one we know of that left and went to the US was Donald b. May 3, 1863.
That's my plea for making my case
Wine is involved.
Ginger
Maybe Duncan went back from Bonawe,Ardchattan Parish to Ballachulish to work in the quarry with his brother John and uncle Charles?
The only one we know of that left and went to the US was Donald b. May 3, 1863.
That's my plea for making my case
Wine is involved.
Ginger
Re: My Livingston(e) Line
So have I missed the posting of the DNA results? I have been a voyeur...keeping tabs on
these posts but last update I saw said about now...
these posts but last update I saw said about now...
Re: My Livingston(e) Line
THey did...and we are not related to anyone else. A whole different bunch of Ballachulish, West Laroch Livingstons.
Ginger
Ginger
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Re: My Livingston(e) Line
Hi Ginger,
Which should not be too surprising because I have found a third Livingston family group that setled late in the 1860's in the Lettermore area near Ballachulish and are from Morvern Parish where my Livingstons come fromm and dont have any known connection to your Ballachulish family or the other one that was not a match. This third family had thought they were rooted in Ballachulish but actually the census records indicated they lived closer to nearby Lettemore in old Duror Parish which is adjacent to Ballachulish. This third family in the area has not done a DNA test but given their possible connection as mine possibly to the famous Donald Livingstone of Savary Morvern that was at the Battle of Culloden I am hoping they participate in the project someday.
regards,
Donald
Which should not be too surprising because I have found a third Livingston family group that setled late in the 1860's in the Lettermore area near Ballachulish and are from Morvern Parish where my Livingstons come fromm and dont have any known connection to your Ballachulish family or the other one that was not a match. This third family had thought they were rooted in Ballachulish but actually the census records indicated they lived closer to nearby Lettemore in old Duror Parish which is adjacent to Ballachulish. This third family in the area has not done a DNA test but given their possible connection as mine possibly to the famous Donald Livingstone of Savary Morvern that was at the Battle of Culloden I am hoping they participate in the project someday.
regards,
Donald
Re: My Livingston(e) Line
"I am hoping they participate in the project someday. "
Me too...
You didn't say anything else about my picture theory. Am I missing something? I am new to this and you are much better at it. IS it a possibility? You can tell me I am way off base...my feelings don't get hurt easily and I am next to impossible to insult.
You can say... NO NO NO>>>. NOT right... not possible... (please don't... whimper..) *smirk*
Ginger
Me too...
You didn't say anything else about my picture theory. Am I missing something? I am new to this and you are much better at it. IS it a possibility? You can tell me I am way off base...my feelings don't get hurt easily and I am next to impossible to insult.
You can say... NO NO NO>>>. NOT right... not possible... (please don't... whimper..) *smirk*
Ginger