Angus Livingstone& Margaret (Hall/McPhail), Shiaba, Mull

[jmlivingstone]

http://www.deeprootstalltrees.com/Kathy ... htm#i77090

More info on the elusive James Livingstone, unfortunately, no help at all in identifying what his relationship to Angus & Margaret was at Uragaig,

John

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,
It is interesting that this James Livingston who was married Mary McMillan in Colonsay according to the records and a few years later settled in Canada, is a Livingston who was born in Mull in the early 1800's and who before 1840 apparently ended up in Colonsay around the same time as Angus and his family and has a McMillan residing with him according to the 1841 census. The other interesting thing that I am unable to explain is why their Livingston descendant is the closest match to my Livingston cousin.That i did not expect as I was not aware of any connection. It is likely a few hundred years distant in western Argyllshire. It is generally understood though that some of the highland Livingstons from Mull and neighbouring Morvern Parish would be related so it is not totally surprising. My great-great-great grandfather Mile Livingston b. abt. 1775 according to his 1812 marriage info was a native of Morvern Parish, in western Argyllshire. Not surprising that some Mull Livingstons ended up residing on the neighbouring Island of Colonsay as this James Livingston and his wife Mary McMillan did and as Angus Livingston and his family did. Angus Livingston's brother's Donald family that remained for a time at Ross of Mull arent in the DNA project so we unfortunately dont have those results which would probably have been helpful.

Actually that info on James Livingston will be of interest to the descendant of James Livingston that has contacted the forum. Perhaps they are distant cousins.

regards,

Donald

[jmlivingstone]

Donald,

I've just posted the link on the topic opened by Debs, just in case anyone interested is back in there at some time,

John

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,
Thats a good idea.

I have some thoughts regarding the results for our specific dna group mostly speculative in nature but here goes. I think our Maclea/Livingstone ancestors are connected in the past in Western Argyllshire the genetic distances among some Livingstons in our group and this suggests to me we have been in the past together as a family group for sometime in Western Argyllshire, long before last names began to be used in Western Argyllshire. We have Livingstons in our Western Argyllshire dan group that are as much as 67-6 from some others Livingstons in the dna group, while others are significantly closer. ANotherwards the family connection for some in the group is perhaps going back a number of generations in Western Argyllshire before we were known as Livingstons in some cases. I find the genetic distance between some Livingstons in our specific dna group quite intriguing. To me that suggest a family connection among some of us in Western Argyllshire that has some age to it, if you follow my drift. Others in our group are significantly closer in terms of genetic distance to one another, perhaps suggesting they are more closely related and more recently related.

regards,

Donald

[jmlivingstone]

A few more additions to the Livingstone clan, this is the family of Margaret Livingstone & Wm. Johnston, Margaret is a daughter of Gavin Livingstone & Catherine McLean. I have verified the majority of this family through Scotlands People.

Margaret, 1858-1937, married William at Stirling, date unknown, their family is as follows;

Catherine McLean Johnston, b. 1879 Stirling, m. Malcolm Tomlin 1908 Glasgow.

Gavin Livingstone Johnston, b. 1880 Stirling.

Margaret M. Johnston, b. 1881 Cupar.

Mary Ann Jobson Johnston, b. 1882 Cupar.

Wm. Johnston, 1884-1955, b. Cupar, m. Elizabeth Baron.

Florence Johnston, 1886-1918, b. Cupar, m. Wm. Gordon 18 Dec. 1912 Glasgow, they had one known daughter, Andrina 1918-1989.

Lilias Johnston, 1891-1961, b. Cupar, probably died Glasgow, m.Wm. McKendrick, 26 July 1916 Glasgow.

Stuart Johnston, 1891-1947, b. Cupar, probably died Glasgow, m. Agnes Young, 18 March 1918 Glasgow. Daughter Amy 1928-1978, b. Glasgow, d. Weston-Super-Mare (Sp.??), m. Archibald Burt.

Livingstone Johnston, b. abt. 1893, died in WW1.

Albert Johnston b. 1895 Cupar.

Neil Johnston, b. 1897 Cupar.

Beatrice Johnston, 1899-abt. 1960, b. Cupar, d. Glasgow, m. Wm. Davidson 17 March 1917,

John

[jmlivingstone]

Additional info on family listed in last post;

Listed below are some of the descendants of Gavin Livingstone & Catherine McLean.
13 Dec. 1908,
Malcolm Tomlin – m – Catherine McLean Johnston.
Occs. House painter & seamstress.
Res. Malcolm; 117, Coventry Drive, Glasgow.
Res. Catherine ; 173, Graham St., Glasgow.
Parents;
Thomas Tomlin, (occ. Private soldier, 90th. Regiment of Foot) & Jane McPherson.
William Johnston, & Margaret Stuart Livingstone.
Occ. General manager house purchasing company & Clerk.

18 Mar. 1918 at Burlington House, Glasgow,
Stuart Johnston, age 27,– m – Agnes Young, age 26,
Occs. West African Trader & Clerk.
Res. Stuart, 23, Granville St., St. Georges Rd, Glasgow.
Res. Catherine, 25, St. Vincent St., Glasgow.
Parents;
John Young, occ. (Carting contractor) & Isabella Whiteford.
William Johnston, & Margaret Stuart Livingstone.
Occ. General manager house purchasing company & Clerk.

17 Mar. 1917, at United Free Church of Scotland.
William Davidson, age 43 – m – Beatrice Johnston, age 28.
Occs. Missionary & fancy goods saleswoman.
Res. William, 87, Thistle St., North Glasgow.
Res. Beatrice, 23, Granville St., North Glasgow.
Parents;
George Davidson, occ. Engine fitter & Helen Scott.
William Johnston, & Margaret Stuart Livingstone.
Occ. General manager house purchasing company & Clerk

30 Dec. 1917.
James William Gordon – m – Florence Johnston.
Occs. Artist & designer & book keeper
Res. James, 30, Buccleuch St., Glasgow.
Res. Beatrice,
Parents;
James Gordon, lithographer & Mary Greenacre.
William Johnston, & Margaret Stuart Livingstone.
Occ. General manager house purchasing company & Clerk

29 Nov. 1937 Death.
Margaret Stuart Livingstone, age 79, widower of Wm. Johnston, house agent.
Parents; Gavin Livingstone & Catherine McLean.
Witnessed by Wm. Johnston, son, 28, Arundel Drive, Glasgow.

04 Feb. 1880 birth.
Gavin Livingstone Johnston, b. @ 24, Lower Bridge St., Stirling.
Parents; Wm. Johnston, occ. Joiner, & Margaret Livingstone.
Birth registered by Gavin Livingstone, g/father

John

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,
Hope you had a good Christmas. Good to see that you've found more information on Gavin's kin. What year and where did Gavin Livingstone b. 1835 die?

regards,

Donald

[jmlivingstone]

Hi Donald,

See below for info on Gavin,

4. Gavin, born 30.12.1834, he married Catherine McLean at Campbelltown, Argyllshire.in the Free Church of Scotland on 30.12.1857,
Both were employed as farm servants.

Catherine parents were Neil Mclean, a shoemaker, & Margaret Stewart.

Gavin died 03.03.1905 at Northfield, Dunoon, Argyllshire, death certificate was signed by his son Neil, who resided at 13, Union St., Edinburgh,

John

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,
I noticed that Argyll death record and wondered if it was him, but didnt realize that Gavin was in Argyll at that late date. Thanks for clearing that up.
regards,
Donald

[jmlivingstone]

I recently came across discharge certificate for Angus Livingstone from Shiaba, he was discharged from the Argyll Defensibles in 1801, at 24-25 years old, due to a musket ball wound through his hand, probably during the Irish Revolution.

According to the discharge cert., he was a Kilmainham pensioner, not Chelsea.

As far as I can make out, the discharge is signed by Col. Clavering, see below for further info, it also states, Angus was discharged due to being shot through the hand by a musket ball.

Argyle Fencibles (1794) — Second Battalion

The Argyle fencibles was raised by Colonel Henry M. Clavering (a Major who transferred from the 98th Foot), to whom the command was given. Captain John Campbell who was on half-pay previously of the late independent companies was promoted to be Lieutenant-Colonel of the regiment.

The regiment was moved to Ireland where it was stationed until its return to Scotland in 1802, when it was disbanded.

Highland dress. Facings Blue Colonel Henry Mordaunt Clavering. Formed 25 October 1794 Disbanded at Ayr 24 July 1802 Served in Ireland.

http://archive.org/stream/oldhighlandfe ... t_djvu.txt

http://www.scottishmilitaryresearch.org.uk/page50.htm


John