My Livingston(e) Line

[beadmom]

Yes....Living at present

My Grandpa: John William Livingston Jr. (grandson of Donald)
My Father: David William Livingston (great-grandson of Donald)
My Brother: John William Livingston III (great-great-grandson of Donald)
My Nephew: Steven David Livingston (great-great-great-grandson of Donald)

Ginger

Hi Ginger,

Are there any Livingstons with that name still in your family, direct descendants of Donald.

regards,

Donald

[Kyle MacLea]

Hi Ginger,

I am sending you an email with info about joining the DNA project. We would love to have you!

The best choice to test would be your oldest living male Livingstone family member, if he's available!

Kyle=

[beadmom]

I suppose as long as he can spit he's in? (That would be Donald's grandson.) If so..We're good!

BTW...his wife, grandma, is a McCarter granddaughter. Any idea where I can find them?

Now. My next question is...........(You now how it goes..If you give a mouse a cookie, he's going to want a glass of milk..) Where are all my relatives? How do I find them? Is Scotland still hoarding them? Planes fly there ya know.....(or is it ye ken?)

On my Mom's side we know all the cousins and have HUGE family gatherings that require renting a park. On my Dad's side...we can fill a moderate size livingroom including pets. (okay excluding horses, donkeys and goats)

Ginger

Hi Ginger,

I am sending you an email with info about joining the DNA project. We would love to have you!

The best choice to test would be your oldest living male Livingstone family member, if he's available!

Kyle=

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Ginger,

I checked the St. James Episcopal Church of Ballachulish and there were lots of Livingstons buried there some of the old west Laroch Southern Ballachulish Livingston family which I believe your ancestors belong. As to whether or not there are any distant cousins living there now I suggest you contact the village of Ballachulish at some point. Thats where I would look.You could ask about the old West Laroch Livingstons families that worked in the slate quarry if any descendants are still around the area.
Worth visiting Western Argyll for a vacation and checking all the areas where highland Livingstons lived. Beautiful scenery with lots of history and interesting ruins. Not toofar from Ballachulish is the Isle of Lismore where our Clan Chief Baron of Bachuil Niall Livingstons family and ancestors have lived for many generations. Most of highland Livingstons however left Western Argyll in 1800`s some of their own accord while others were tenant farmers removed by their landlords in favour of more profitable use of the land for sheep grazing. Most of our highland Livingstons from the ancestral homeland area in Western Argyll ended up in the industralized lowlands of Scotland , Canada, the U.S., Australia and New Zealand.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

If you have an interest in Scottish history you might interested in Arthur Herman`s book `How the Scots Invented the Modern World` which explores the impact the Scottish people have had on the World. It was published in 2001 by Three Rivers Press and Random House.

regards,

Donald

[beadmom]

I will look that book up!

I think I now know why I live in the highlands of central Oregon and raise goats (Sheep are kinda dumb and boring..)....it's genetic.

Ginger

[D.W.Livingston]

Donald--

Can you refresh my memory?

I think there was a descendant of Ballachulish Livingstons that stopped by the old forum at some point. Could be getting Ginger's family DNA tested as well as this family could definitively prove a connection, if so.

If not, where have I heard of these Livingston/es? I know I've read about this family at some point in the recent past!

Kyle=

Hi Kyle,

Just to pull up the old forum information a work around I have found (since I can't seem to search the archive here) is I go to Google and type what I am looking for with the advanced option of the site: function... so for this one it looked like quarry Ballachulish site:www.clanmclea.co.uk/forum/

Google found two instances and the start of the shared thread is: http://www.clanmclea.co.uk/forum/show-m ... sp?ID=1369
Title: Ballachulish Livingstons
Posted by: John Livingston (From Australia)
Date: 29 June 2006

So you have a great memory.

Well Done Everyone on this and Donald I need to get with you to elaborate all the cold facts and dates I have into a beautifully told story like you have done for Ginger. You are amazing.

And Ginger - I apologize that I just recently saw the email you sent me on the 19th. I am getting use to this new forum. Please except my apologizes and ask me any questions you have.. If I don't know it I know how to pass it off to more educated people, like Donald, Jewel, and Kyle. I am just glad that they were able to find the information and so much more than that. My middle name is Wyse (following old scottish traditions) and it appears that David Livingston(e)'s are all around you
I am excited for you and your family in all your discoveries.

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi David,
How are you? I am glad that you and Kyle were able to swiftly retrieve those old postings on Ballachulish Livingstons. Excellent idea. And I appreciate the efforts of those in the past who submitted the St. James Episcopal church records to the Maclea Livingstone Society. Very helpful under these circumstances. Kudos to them as well. It seems I have been researching three families now connected to these West Laroch village Ballachulish Livingtons including one family from New Zealand that contacted me not from this forum. And I suspect they may indeed be related and perhaps many of those in the Ballachulish Episcopal church records of St. James are related. I was trying to possibly determine who GInger's oldest ancestor's father was but that appears to be difficult. There was a farmer John Livingston born 1774 living in Duror Parish not at Ballachulish that might be the father of some of the Livingstons that lived around the slate quarry in Laroch village, Ballachulish but I did not find anyone in particular whom I felt could be old enough to be Donald's father. There were a few born in the 1780's in the Ballachulish area in Duror Parish they might have been Donald's father but am just not certain about that.

We should inform the gentleman from Australia that did that 2006 posting that according to the St. James Episcopal Church information from Ballachulish and census records his ancestor James Livingston b. abt. 1805 was married to Isabella Clark and they lived in the West laroch village of Ballachulish near the Slate Quarry there where many of the local people found work. |The most likely brother of James I suspect was a John Livingston born abt. 1812 a shepherd died 1875 who also lived at West Laroch village Ballachulish. His wife is referred to the cemetery and census record by a number of names Christian, Christina, Christie and in the 1841 census Charity.According to the Church records John's wife was Christian Rankin. John and family later moved to nearby Morvern Parish but were buried in St. James Episcopal Churchyard. It is interesting to note that a number of these Ballachulish Livingstons are likely related and of the Episcopalian rather than Presbyterian faith. This was in Duror Parish in the 1850's and later I think it became part of Appin and Lismore Parish Glencoe District. Ballachulish is very close to Glencoe. One can be thrown by all the variety of names used in the Scottish records. My ancestor Miles Livingstons wife was at one time referred to Janet, Janette and Jessie and I did not know until recently that Janet and Jessie were interchangable in 19th century Scotland.

James Livingston and Isabella Clark are in fact not in the 1861 and subsequent census records in Scotland so I would think that it was James that left Scotland for Australia. THe John Livingston born in 1812 whom I assume was his brother who later moved to Morvern was buried in cemetery at Ballachulish with his wife Christian Rankin so he did go to Australia or New Zealand although John' s youngest Dugald did. I noticed that John and Christian had a son Dugald that died in infancy but the later census records at Movern show him shepherding there and that he had a another son whom they also named Dugald. I noticed the odd family that did that in the 1800's. I have been contacted ,not on this forum, by a lady in New Zealand who is descended from JOhn and Christian's youngest son Dugald.

The Episcopalian records for St. James church were with the Appin Parish records on our site which was helpful. I wanted to ask you if Scotland Peoples has Episcopalian records for Ardchattan Parish circa 1850's and 1860's and for other Parishes in Argyll or if there are any more for Ballachulish.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

It would be interesting to know if Gingers ancestor Donald Livingston born abt. 1811 in Ballachulish was a descendant of the long line of John Livingstone's or Maconleas said to have lived in the Ballachulish area for several generations. We may not learn this but the DNA testing at the very least will help to define and identify Donald's Ballachulish group and whether this family group matches up with the Bachuil, the Parker Livingston or Dr. Livingstone group or some other Livingston group in the DNA sense of things.

The Ballachulish Livingstones dont seem to have been constrained by Campbell pro government landlords and number of them were apparently recruited and served under the Stewarts of Appin in the Rebellion of 1745 in the Appin Regiment. In "No Quarter Given" edited by the late Baron Alastair Livingston of Bachuil, Christian Aikman and Betty Stuart Hart we are told that there was a John Livingstone of Ballachulish estate along with other Livingstons from nearby Appin and Morvern that were in the Appin Regiment in 1745. I have suspected that this John Livingstone of Ballachulish that was Jacobite supporter of Bonnie Prince Charlie that served with the Appin Regiment in the 1745 rebellion might have been the great grandfather of Dr. David Livingston that was killed at the Battle of Culloden in 1746 that Dr. David Livingston mentions in his autobiography but I have no proof of this.
Anyways a great next step would be DNA testing to try to identify and compare this Ballachulish Livingstone family of Gingers with other Livingstons tested. We have as has been mentioned a Livingston whose ancestor has a connection to Ballachulish already tested so another one will certainly be a welcome addition to the project.

regards,
Donald

[Kyle MacLea]

Hi Donald and Ginger,

Ginger has ordered the DNA test and so we'll soon know what line her grandfather matches. Very glad to have her in the project, and this research of yours, Donald, may soon become relevant if it turns out she does match the Doctor's line or your own line. Well done, all!

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