Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research

[marshallt]

Hi Jewel;

Thanks for the info. Years ago, I found that Hugh and some of his family had moved to Rhode Island by searching through microfilm documents at a Family History Centre. I am now updating all my family records through the sources available online. I have a subscription to Ancestry.ca which gives me access to all of the Canadian, US and UK censuses amongst other things. Can find stuff now about a hundred times faster than before.

Marshall

[Kyle MacLea]

Marshall--

Given your Ancestry access, can you tell us what you're looking for specifically? We don't want to duplicate efforts here and are all only trying to be helpful.

Kyle=

[marshallt]

Hi Kyle;

1. Looking for ancestors of the Donald Livingston who married Mary Graham on the Isle of Colonsay on 17 Feb 1816. Have not been able to find any trace of them.

2. Mildly interested in finding any info re daughters of the above couple.

3. Will provide info to anyone researching descendants of above couple.

4. Would like to hear from any second, third or fourth cousins out there.

Marshall

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Marshall,
It sounds like you have access to some Nova Scotia marriage birth and census records but some information may just not be available.
We are somewhat limited in our knowlege of specific Pictou County, Nova Scotia Records and information which might be of help in finding the information you really need. I would suggest you start by contacting the Pictou County Genealogy and Heritage Society PO Box Box 1210 Pictou Nova Scotia B0K 1H0 Phone (902) 485-4563 pcghs@gov.ns.ca The Pictou County Roots Society may be worth contacting. Also going to Pictou County Genweb seems like a good idea. Ultimately having posting a query with us as we are Clan Maclea Livingstone and we doing Martime Livingston research might help bring one of your distant cousins to our forum in the future. I have noticed only one person from Saskatchewan researching your ancestor and unfortunately it was on another forum a few years ago and there was no contact information or a last name. I think any of the census records I have access to, you probably have as well if you have an account with ancestry.com or another such source of census information.

regards,

Donald

[Livingstone_PEI]

Hi Guys

Took all morning to thoroughly read all of the previous posts.

Just my thoughts.

The reply I received from the Beaton Institute in the past, listed the family of Colin and the numbers of males and females matched. I will post that here. I believe the Whycocomagh Colin (Collen) is different than the one found in New Brunswick.

"I have searched through our holdings and only found one mention of a Colin
Livingstone in our holdings. In the 1861 census for the Whycocomagh area
there was a Colin Livingston. However, it was not spelt Colin Livingstone
but as "Collen Livingston". Unfortunately, these census only provide the
name of the head of household and the number of males and females who reside
in the residence. Therefore, the information we could obtain from this
census was that Collen was head of household and there were four males and
three females in the home. It does not provide any additional information."

Taken from the deed for Colin's Farm on PEI, when it was transferred to Angus his son, the children are listed as...

John, John, Angus. Mary and Katherine

Not sure if the order is correct.
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This is for Roberta.
Roberta you mentioned in one of your posts about your ancestor John Livingston, married a MacPhee and she was Catholic. I have sent a document to Donald in the past and it lists a John Livingstone land exchange to a John Cameron in 1806, where if I am reading it correctly he gave all rights to all property in Georgetown, PEI. I am not sure of the month this took place, but will check it when I go home. It may coincide with the July month of your descendents arrival in NS. I wonder if this is your ancestor? You had said he came to Low Point in 1806, from PEI. The Gerogetown area was predominantly Catholic, and this is the area the Selkirk Settlers settled in 1803. The ship Oughton, which was predominantly Catholic settled in this area. I do not know for sure what John's wife's name was. It would be very interesting if this John is Roberta's ancestor.

I always thought this was likely a son, but maybe it was a younger brother or some other relation. I only have bits and pieces of this family and the history of the family in the area. I have found a document in the archives, where a Sarah (Sally) Livingstone left in her will to her grandson Joseph, and son Malcolm all of her property. I'm not sure who Sarah's husband actually is. Was it John that gave his land holdings to Camerons?

There is an Alexander Livingstone in the same area, showing in the 1841 census.
http://www.gov.pe.ca/cca/census/showall ... c=46583658

I have a birth record that says that Alexander's wife was Mary Sigsworth, so it rules out that Sarah's husband was John. Alexander had a son John, born February 14, 1842. I used to think Sarah was John's widow, but I'm not sure of this. This is right across the river from Georgetown, in what is now the St. Georges area. Malcolm lived in Massachusetts for a few years, while still having business interests on PEI. I have also found a document where he is giving power of attorney to his lawyer, while he is "overseas". This may indicate he was in the British Isles or possibly even Australia. I don't have the date of this with me. I'm at work at the moment. Malcolm was a ship builder, and in the PEI census documents Joseph is also a ship carpenter. This family disappeared from the area over a period of years. Joseph had a large family, but in the last census documents this family dwindled to 3 members, of which one was Joseph's widow. It lists his widow as Catholic and Joseph as protestant. The 1841 census lists 3 people in Alexander's family. One born in the British Isles, one in Scotland and the other on PEI. So it is likely Mary Sigsworth was born in England. This is likely Malcolm.


http://www.islandregister.com/lakem/1863maps.html

You will notice in lot 54 where it shows the farm that Joseph Livingston had, that was likely his grandfather Alexander's farm originally.

http://www.islandregister.com/lakem/lots/lot54.jpg


Does any of this fit into your family Roberta. If your John came from PEI this may be the document that connects him.

I apolologize. This is confusing. I hope people understand where I am coming from with this. There are just too many unknowns.

Barry

[Roberta Ann]

Hi Barry;

Well, Barry, are very nice piece of research you've done. Thank you for your due diligence.

This is what I know, for sure. John Livingstone, listed age 20, arrived PEI in July 1806 on the Brig Humpries via Tobermory. His first child, John, was born June 7; or thereabouts, in 1807. His wife called herself Christie McPhee. She was either Christina or Christine. He was settled with his wife in Low Point, Cape Breton. The obituary of his first son, John, was published in the Casket; May 14, 1900. John Jr. had died May 1, 1900. John Sr. died Aug. 24, 1859.
John sr. applied for a land grant and said he wanted to be near his relatives, the McPhees, on Low Point. He named his land Staffa. We were always told our family came from Mull.

The mystery is this John Livingstone of 1803, PEI. Who was he? He is not listed as being a Selkirk settler, is he.

As far as our religon, we were all born and brought-up Roman Catholic. So either they were, both, Catholic or maybe just Christie was Catholic. I just don't know. I contacted the Diocese of Antigonish, Charlottown and Quebec. There is no record of a marriage. Maybe they were married in Scotland.

As I told you before, that, in our family visit to PEI in 1973; my father said "we have lots of relatives here".

My brother, John Lloyd Livingstone, is the 67 marker testee for our family and our closest match if Roger Alexander Livingstone of Cape Breton. Our Kit # 120317.

Thank you for your interest, Barry. I hope you stay in contact with me. Maybe we will eventually figure things out.

Best Regards;

Roberta

[Roberta Ann]

Hello again Barry;

Christine McPhie, who married, my 4th great grandfather; had brothers John who married Mary Beaton of Upper North Sydney, Angus who married a MacAlpine of Lochaber, Donald who married Margaret Cameron of Scotland. Daughter Mary married Sylvester Dunphy. Kate married Dan Cameron, Sarah married a Grantmeyer, Anne married T. Ellsworth and Johanna married a Shea.

Her parents were Alexander McPhie and Jessie McKay.

Regards;

Roberta

[Livingstone_PEI]

Yeh

I have been really busy the last few of months. I should be around more now.

Barry

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Barry,

Yes that information regarding Colleen Livingston of Whycocomagh is confusing. THey seem to be saying that this is located in the Whycocomagh census info from 1861 and yet I am not certain that it is there. Dr. St. Clair certainly had not seen it and he has been doing Whyccomagh/Mabou research for about 50 years. I also noticed something about a Colin Livingston in the New Brunswick census but like you I assumed it was another COlin Livingstone.

Interesting regarding the document of a deed transfer of Colins to his son. Is there no way that the Archives cannot locate a copy of original Bill of Sale to old Colin of Whycocomagh NS from the previous owner in PEI whenever that took place. If not a copy of the original bill of sale you would think there would be entry of it in some old County abtract land record book whatever County in PEI the original land transaction took place. Unless the land records from the 1850's or 1860's are missing it should be there. Unless Colin and family had the land before 1850. Dont know about that. If he could pass the land on to his family he or some one in his family purchased some years earlier when he was living in Whycocomagh. I would have assumed he did not have the land that long and purchased it in the 1860's but I could be wrong. Is there some sort of land index with an alphabetical index of grantors and grantees involved in land transactions for the County where the farm was in PEI. I forget which county Colins land was in?

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Barry,

I contacted the PEI archives and they suggested that you check the Conveyances Index on microfilm which includes an alphabetized listing. THere is no Bill of sale process such as was the case in Ontario so one cannot locate a document apparently showing grantor grantee and bill of sale for Colin Livingston and a grantor of land. But I was told that some sort of transaction might have been recorded in the 1860's or whenever Colin got a hold of that land in Kings County and to try and find it in the Conveyances which are indexed on microfilm. Next time you could check that out. She said you wont find records listing Bill of Sale as in Ontario during this early period around Confederation. She agreed that some sort of transaction that took place origninally with that property was written down and she thought you might be able to find it through the Conveyances and that it was alphabeticized. Maybe next time your at the archives you could take the deed transfer and ask about the conveyance records. She did not think the original transaction record between original owner and Colin was neccesarily lost but she reccomended checking out the alphabetical index with the conveyance records. You may have already done so but thought I would pass on what they told me.

regards,

Donald