Hi Barry,
I am going back to check that 1861 Cape breton Census. Jewel as you may know joined the Cape Breton Genealogical and History Society and going through there info was able to verify for us at least that some researcher is stating that they located ALexander, Coleen and a John at Whycocomagh in the 1861 Census. They recorded a reel number no page number but giving the reel number seems to me indicates that they did in fact seen Coleen on the reel. The John listed is probably John Livingston of Judique who was mistaken as being in Whycocomagh section of the census I assume. It could not be John livingston Jr, of nearby Mull river whom lived nearby to Whycocomagh because I believe he died in 1860. Now that I know the reel number I will try and find Coleen or COlin in the those records along with ALexander of WHycocomagh. The source stated for the Colin or Coleen Livingstone's WHycocomagh info is National Archives of Canada Reel M876 which I have confirmed contains the census information from 1861 from Inverness County, Cape Breton. So villages in Inverness County should be on that reel for sure. I am going to check next week if our library has it. I think I saw it there last year.
regards,
Donald
Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
HI Barry,
Hey does that say Dr. COlin Livingston? Was your ancestor a Doctor or am i reading that wrong?
regards,
Donald
Hey does that say Dr. COlin Livingston? Was your ancestor a Doctor or am i reading that wrong?
regards,
Donald
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Hi Barry,
Colin purchased the land I think and made one down payment on Nov. 13, 1865, another was made on Nov. 23, 1866 and then a few other payments were made following his death by his family until the balance was paid in full. 1874 it looks like payment was completed. Clearly the family of COlin Livingston were holding on to the property following his death as can be seen by the payments made after his death.
regards,
Donald
Colin purchased the land I think and made one down payment on Nov. 13, 1865, another was made on Nov. 23, 1866 and then a few other payments were made following his death by his family until the balance was paid in full. 1874 it looks like payment was completed. Clearly the family of COlin Livingston were holding on to the property following his death as can be seen by the payments made after his death.
regards,
Donald
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I was going to ask the same thing--looks like Doctor to me!Canadian Livingstone wrote:HI Barry,
Hey does that say Dr. COlin Livingston? Was your ancestor a Doctor or am i reading that wrong?
regards,
Donald
If it is, perhaps there are academic records from somewhere. What places in Scotland were granting doctorates at that time? In that time frame, is that necessarily indicating a medical doctor (leech), or is that a doctor of philosophy/divinity, etc? Interesting find!
Great to get a date on the land acquisition and that it was Crown Land!
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Hi Kyle,
I assumed from what Barry has told me that his ancestor Colin Livingston b. abt. 1818 his ancestor was a farmer from Whycocomagh, Cape Breton and that he was intending to farm the Crown land which he purchased in 1865 at Lot 55, Kings County, Prince Edward Island in present day Canada, but that does look like Dr. Colin Livingston. No I would think it very likely if he was a doctor it would be a medical doctor. There may some records of his being of a doctor in Cape Breton though I suspect they may be difficult to find. Looks like he was only in PEI for a short time or at least only owned that property in the Dundas/Forest Hill in Kings County, Prince Edward Island (Canada) before he died in 1867. I think Barry said his wife and later son John became owners of the property. Colin's other son Angus was Barrys ancestor. I have been working with Barry to try and locate the few records that exist of Colin Livingston 1818? -1867 before he left Inverness County, Cape Breton possibly Whycocomagh for Lot 55, Kings County, PEI. There is next to no information out there on him from Cape Breton according to Dr. St. Clair. We have Colin's 1867 Obituary and Barry's breakthrough in PEI recently so there is some hope.
Jewel has kindly confirmed for Barry and I that the 1861 Census of Cape Breton on a reel containing Inverness County information has information on Colin Livingston of Whycocomagh so I hoping to get to the library and locate that reel just to be certain the Cape Breton source was accurate. THere seems to have been some question in the past whether Colin Livingstone was actually a resident of Whycocomagh so I want to confirm that for myself.
regards,
DOnald
I assumed from what Barry has told me that his ancestor Colin Livingston b. abt. 1818 his ancestor was a farmer from Whycocomagh, Cape Breton and that he was intending to farm the Crown land which he purchased in 1865 at Lot 55, Kings County, Prince Edward Island in present day Canada, but that does look like Dr. Colin Livingston. No I would think it very likely if he was a doctor it would be a medical doctor. There may some records of his being of a doctor in Cape Breton though I suspect they may be difficult to find. Looks like he was only in PEI for a short time or at least only owned that property in the Dundas/Forest Hill in Kings County, Prince Edward Island (Canada) before he died in 1867. I think Barry said his wife and later son John became owners of the property. Colin's other son Angus was Barrys ancestor. I have been working with Barry to try and locate the few records that exist of Colin Livingston 1818? -1867 before he left Inverness County, Cape Breton possibly Whycocomagh for Lot 55, Kings County, PEI. There is next to no information out there on him from Cape Breton according to Dr. St. Clair. We have Colin's 1867 Obituary and Barry's breakthrough in PEI recently so there is some hope.
Jewel has kindly confirmed for Barry and I that the 1861 Census of Cape Breton on a reel containing Inverness County information has information on Colin Livingston of Whycocomagh so I hoping to get to the library and locate that reel just to be certain the Cape Breton source was accurate. THere seems to have been some question in the past whether Colin Livingstone was actually a resident of Whycocomagh so I want to confirm that for myself.
regards,
DOnald
Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hello,
Yes Kyle that Dr. Colin Livingston caught my eye also. I'd like to see the copies of Colin Livingston's obituary. I would think that it would have made some kind of mention of the fact that he was a doctor in his obituaries. Maybe Barry would be so kind as to post the obits. The fact that he was a doctor should open up new avenues to research for Barry. He must have had a practice of some sort. and what college & medical schools would he have attended? Barry should be able to narrow that down by the census information he has for him.
Curious Jewel!
Yes Kyle that Dr. Colin Livingston caught my eye also. I'd like to see the copies of Colin Livingston's obituary. I would think that it would have made some kind of mention of the fact that he was a doctor in his obituaries. Maybe Barry would be so kind as to post the obits. The fact that he was a doctor should open up new avenues to research for Barry. He must have had a practice of some sort. and what college & medical schools would he have attended? Barry should be able to narrow that down by the census information he has for him.
Curious Jewel!
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Yes--there were a limited number of schools in North America granting such degrees. So was it a North American school, or was it European one?
Definitely some interesting avenues for research there, no matter what type of degree it was. Or maybe "Dr" indicated something else then/there, but it doesn't seem likely.
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Definitely some interesting avenues for research there, no matter what type of degree it was. Or maybe "Dr" indicated something else then/there, but it doesn't seem likely.
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Just a thought - could Dr Colin Livingston actually mean Debtor? If you look on the previous page at the top it states Contra (entry) Cr for credit.
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Hi Margaret,
Sounds plausible. I dont think he was a doctor. First time i have seen one of these land record entries from 19th century PEI. Not familiar with the Prince Edward Island land transactions and their way of recording 19th century land transactions only Ontario ones where the ledger books are only broken down between grantor and grantee and then with each entry the type of land transaction Bill of Sale, mortgage etc. and number of the deed document. Barry is delighted to have found given that there is so little information on Colin Livingstone. If my theory is correct he was born in Penmore, Kilninian and Kilmore Parish Northern Mull about 1817 or 1818 and left in 1821 with his parents whom I believe to have been John Livingston Sr. and Catharine Campbell. There is document from Mull that indicates that local officials knew they were leaving in 1821 from Kilninian and Kilmore and were planning on sailing to Pictou, Nova Scotia. As the baptismal records for the children of John LIvingston and Catharine Campbell end exactly in 1821 it looks very much they did leave. A few years after they arrived at Pictou Nova Scotia they settled at Mull RIver in nearby Cape Breton. A Campell family also settled in the Mull River area.
regards,
Donald
Sounds plausible. I dont think he was a doctor. First time i have seen one of these land record entries from 19th century PEI. Not familiar with the Prince Edward Island land transactions and their way of recording 19th century land transactions only Ontario ones where the ledger books are only broken down between grantor and grantee and then with each entry the type of land transaction Bill of Sale, mortgage etc. and number of the deed document. Barry is delighted to have found given that there is so little information on Colin Livingstone. If my theory is correct he was born in Penmore, Kilninian and Kilmore Parish Northern Mull about 1817 or 1818 and left in 1821 with his parents whom I believe to have been John Livingston Sr. and Catharine Campbell. There is document from Mull that indicates that local officials knew they were leaving in 1821 from Kilninian and Kilmore and were planning on sailing to Pictou, Nova Scotia. As the baptismal records for the children of John LIvingston and Catharine Campbell end exactly in 1821 it looks very much they did leave. A few years after they arrived at Pictou Nova Scotia they settled at Mull RIver in nearby Cape Breton. A Campell family also settled in the Mull River area.
regards,
Donald
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Donald
It was late last night (or early morning) when I posted that reply so possibly didn't explain it very well. A basic book-keeping system is a contra entry system with one side of the ledger being debits and the other side being credits. If you look at Barry's attachments of the ledger entries you will see the use of "By" on the Credits page and "To" on the debits page. The ledger is then squared showing a balance to make up the total of £28.16.0 Also as well as the "Dr" in front of Colin's name you will see a large "Cr" on the opposite page. However, having said that I know nothing about Scotia/PEI records. Just a thought.
Kind regards
Margaret
It was late last night (or early morning) when I posted that reply so possibly didn't explain it very well. A basic book-keeping system is a contra entry system with one side of the ledger being debits and the other side being credits. If you look at Barry's attachments of the ledger entries you will see the use of "By" on the Credits page and "To" on the debits page. The ledger is then squared showing a balance to make up the total of £28.16.0 Also as well as the "Dr" in front of Colin's name you will see a large "Cr" on the opposite page. However, having said that I know nothing about Scotia/PEI records. Just a thought.
Kind regards
Margaret