My Livingston(e) Line

[beadmom]

HI Jewel,

Having learned so much about John W's ancestors in Scotland I am also interested learning more about the family in America from Ginger. I found it so interesting to discover that Donald his father Dugald and the grandfather Donald b.1802 were stone workers and involved with quarry work. Census records are so useful in discovering ones ancestors and kin.

regards,

Donald

I will ask more about Donald.

I know a bit about John WIlliam Livingston Sr. (Jack). My grandma said he went to college in An Arbor,MI but did not finish. My Aunt says she has seen some kind of degree for him from the Colorado School of Mines (which kind of makes sense). I will ask more about that. He did work for a very long time for Shell Oil Company (Which makes the School of Mines degree make even more sense) and if low on gas and not near a Shell station would have pennies worth of gas put in to get him to a Shell station.

He married Mabel Nelson. Her family emigrated from Sweden. They were brought in by the Mormon church and ended up in Utah. She was Miss Utah in, I believe 1917 and was on the Miss America tour when they met. Grandpa proposed to her but told her she would have to leave the tour if she wanted to marry him. She got off the train in California and the runner up took her place.

I remember hearing he was in some kind of a car accident or something and was right in front of the hospital but died anyway. I'll check on that. Our family tends to be long lived so for him to die at 67 seems odd. I spent a lot of time with Grandma Mabel when I was a kid. I adored her.

I think I have a picture of Grandpa Jack somewhere.

Ginger

[beadmom]

I found the records for Live Oak where they are burried. I have been there many times. Unfortunately now it is 1000 miles away from me.

Catherine Downes was "Aunt Kate", Grandpa Jack's sister. She used the Livingstone name. I remember her well. I could not find an obit for Grandpa Jack. Strangely he did not show up in the Soc. Sec death records (I'm learning fast) but Grandma Mabel did. Mar 1, 1972

LIVE OAK CEMETERY, MONROVIA, LOS ANGELES COUNTY, CALIFORNIA

G section : Livingston, John W. Jan 24 1895 - Nov 19 1962 Utah 2nd Lietenant Infantry World War I
G section : Livingston, Mabel Florence 1895 - 1972
G section : Downes, Catherine Ann 1891 – 1979

I also found a bunch of Livingstones listed there in another section. Not ours but maybe of help to someone?

Faith section : Livingstone, C.R. 1911 - 1970 Beloved Husband and Father
D section : Livingstone, George Emerson 1856 - 1937 Native and Poet; May His Soul Find Peace Elsewhere
Faith section : Livingstone, Marjorie C. 1913 - 1982 Beloved Mother
Faith section : Livingstone, Melvin Lee 1888 - 1954
D section : Livingstone, Robert 1881 - 1973

[Canadian Livingstone]

HI Ginger,

Thanks for that.

I was wondering if old Donald b.1863 was buried in Colorado. He must of died sometime after 1900 obviously perhaps before World War 11.

regards,

Donald

[Jewel]

Hello Ginger,

I have access to some obits for the U.S. got lucky on this one.

LOS ANGELES TIMES: NOV. 11, 1962

Livingston, John W. Sr., of Alhambra: loving husband of Mrs. Mabel F. Livigston, father of John W. Livingston Jr. brother of Mrs. Catherine Downes and Mrs. Flora J. Menke.
Services 10 a.m. Friday at the Chapel of Turner & Stevens Alhambra.

I'm still wondering what happened to Donald b. 1863 Scotland. Was hopeing he would be mentioned in the obit of John W. Sr. but no such luck! I don't have obits for Colorado which Donald mentioned. Where did Donald go? Checked for obits for Kate and Flora in hopes there might be mention of their father but couldn't find them. Wouldn't help to get copies of his childrens death cert. because that would only give the name of their father and we already know that.
This will bug the heck out of me, where did Donald Livingstone after 1900??

Jewel

[beadmom]

I talked to the horse's mouth this morning (Grandpa)

Donald came in at Ellis Island, NY and THEN moved to GA.
He definitely died in Golden, CO. I am running through the database of every cemetery in CO right now as I cannot find him in any of the Golden cemeteries. Grandma says the quarry was north of Golden. IT was unusual because they were one of the only families not employed by Coors.

Grandpa says he remembers going to the funeral as there was an unfortunate incident during that trip where his 1st cousin Connie had long lovely curly hair and the babysitter did not notice them cutting it all off.

Donald's house was across the street from the Colorado School of Mines and is now a frat house.

Grandpa Jack (J.W, l. Sr.) was away in An Arbor where he was the only person to get "A freshman letter for baseball" when his father died and he had to return to Colorado to run the quarry. Grandpa is now not sure if he owned the quarry or not. He seems to think they might have had a headstone company. There is/was a Livington Mounment Co. in Colorado and I will look more into that.

Grandpa Jack was born in 1895 so..I am thinking freshman....1913-ish? and Jack shows up in the 1920 census in Los Angeles so Donald maybe died 1913-1915?

I now have a lot more info on J.W.L Sr and Jr. I will put together after I have brunch with my grandchildren!

Thanks a bunch everyone!!


Ginger

[Jewel]

Hello Ginger,

If Donald Livingston b. 1863 Scotland came to the U.S. in 1886 he wouldn't have come through Ellis Island in New York as it didn't open until 1892. Previous to this time many of the immigrants came through "Castle Garden" in New York. I did check and was only able to find one that was close. A Donald Livingston age 21 (which would coinside with his birth of 1863) Occupation: Carver, who arrived from Liverpool,Great Brittain on April 1, 1884 on the Ship "Servia". Place of Origin: Scotland. He was the only Livingston aboard.

Good that you have his death narrowed down abit. Sounds like your getting the hang of this addictive hobby. Ha! Ha!

Jewel

[beadmom]

I don't know if it makes a difference but until J.W.Livingston Sr. (Grandpa Jack-Donald's son) we were Livingstones.

Yes.. highly addicting..I found myself in Walmart saying "Honey we have to get home. I need to find my dead grandfather's grave in Colorado."

Ginger

[beadmom]

UHoh.. this must be where things get interesting..

John William Livingston Sr. died on Nov 19, 1962...

His obituary is dated Nov 11, 1962.... and it is definitely the right obituary....
I found out he did die of lung cancer not some accident....but I doubt they could have predicted it that well...

I bet you run across this more than people would think.

Ginger

[beadmom]

I am trying to reconcile what Grandpa said with a timeline....and it doesn't work. Grandpa Jack (J.W. Sr.) had to come back from college in Michigan because his father died.....but the kids went from California to Colorado for the funeral....which had to be after 1921 when Grandpa (J.W. Jr.) born..and enough after for him to have a memory of cutting Connie's hair off.

*sigh*

[Roberta Ann]

Hello Ginger;

I found 2 Livingstone Mines in Colorado. Livingstone Mine Boulder and Livingstone Mine in Larimer.

There is also a Livingstone Family Foundation in Boulder. The President is a Livingstone.

Regards;

Roberta