North Carolina Livingstons

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Jewel,
My ancestor's Uncle's family were both active Loyalists in Dutchess County New York and later Albany County New York. While my ancestor's father a german immigrant remained neutral his son married the niece of a loyalist doctor from Albany County that was kicked out New York State in the 1790's for being an outspoken critic of the new government. He received a large land grant in Upper Canada and his brother first and then his neice and my ancestor Stephen Clink her husband several year later joined them in Upper Canada. So the American Revolution and the loyalist cause affected our family indirectly. Lot of Americans first the diehard loyalists and then others loyal and not so loyal came up looking for the generous free land grants offered by the British to induce Americans to leave the Republic behind for British rule in British Upper Canada. A great many Americans including my ancestor took up the offer of a free grant of 200 acres and settled their family here, while others simply sold their land grants and a short time later returned to the States. By the time of the War of 1812 a great number of the settlers in Upper Canada later known as the province of ontario were of American origin. While the Civil War has sometimes been referred as a war between brothers certainly that could have said about the War of 1812 with so many former Americans having taken up settlement in Upper Canada and having served or their sons serving in the Upper Canada Militia fighting against their kin and former neighbours from south of the border. Certainly the same family divisions occurred as well during the American Revolution. I always find the split between Benjamin Franklin and his son a loyalist during the the Revolutionary War a sad and moving story. I am sure that kind of situation occurred in many families during the Revolutionary War.

While some loyalists made an attempt to return to their homes and towns after the war, most who made the attempt were given a few hours to pack what they could carry and head for Canada. In theory the treaty with the Americans after the War allowed the loyalists to return to their homes but there was infact no provision or effort to override the right of State and local governments to deprive the loyalists of their fundamental rights. In essense they were considered traitors and as a number of them had participated in loyalist regiments connected directly or indirectly with Indian raids on settlers with much carnage and property destruction it was hard to find much sympathy for them among many of the former neighbours. Some prominent loyalist if he had a been a doctor a person of some note in the community and had rebel friends in the right places might be able to come back and quietly resume his former life and some loyalists with supportive family and neighbours apparently did return in time, but the for the most part loyalists found their only option was to flee to Great Britain, frontiers of early Canada, Quebec, Nova Scotia, or the West Indies. This for most meant never to return with the loss of all their land and property. One can imagine there must have a been a thriving business in confiscated loyalist estates after the Revolution.

regards,

Donald

[Jewel]

Hello Donald,
Thought I would follow up on the Charles Livingston born 1800,N.C. It might not be of help in fact this is probablly going to be leaving us with more questions about Charles Livingston born 1800 N.C.

First I looked at the 1880 census just to confirm what you had found, which was b.1800 in N.C. with parents also being b. N.C. with wife being Tabby who was born S. C. and her parents being also born S.C.
For the 1850 and 1860 U.S. census I found no Charles Livingston born 1800 or there about, or a Taby or Tabitha in Alabama or any other state. I also did searches for various spellings of first and last names and found nothing, which is strange.

I did though find them in the 1870 census in Pike County, Alabama. The problem here is Charles age 70 and wife Tabitha age 64 are down as being born in Georgia and the race given is black and cannot read or write. I might note here that in the 1880 census they are both listed as race being white. The 1870 census taker did not fill out any information on anyone as to parents place of birth. I guess this could be a different Charles and Tabitha Livingston?

I found nothing else on Charles but did find a death record for a Taby Livingston. She died a widow listed as inmate in the Pike County Hospital on June 20,1909. This record was basicly a list of people who died at this hospital and did not give the usual information you would find on a death record such as parents names and place of birth .

So what we have is alot of conflicting information.
Jewel

Hi Jewel,
Angus was definitely a pioneer Livingstone of Anson County, North Carolina.

Interestingly in the search for an early Charles Livingston of North Carolina, I noticed there was Charles Livingston born in North Carolina b. 1800 parents both born in North Carolina residing in Mitchell's Township, Pike County, Alabama in the 1880 U.S. Census. I suspect that this a different family was in North Carolina prior to Scotland County family we are researching who arrived as late as the 1790's.

regards,

Donald

[Roberta Ann]

Hi Jewel;

Do you think it is possible that Livingstone was the name of the Plantation owner and that Charles family adopted the name after their freedom?

It is generally known that these situations existed after slaves were freed; they took the name of their owner.

However, this scenario obviously doesn 't apply to Charles Hannah. He is included in our matches.

Regards;

Roberta

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Roberta,

No Charles Hannah Livingston an ancestor of David D. Livingston is connected to us likely through some ancestor at some point way back when. I dont know about these other Charles Livingstons. One of them born abt. 1800 may however have been a brother of Charles Hannah Livingstons grandfather pioneer Duncan D. Livingston of Richmond County but cant say for certain.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi All,

I am off on holidays at a summer cottage on a lake next week for some rest and relaxation with my wife's family. I may be able to reach the forum by internet or not depending on whether I cant get a signal.
regards,
Donald

[Kyle MacLea]

I am off on holidays at a summer cottage on a lake next week for some rest and relaxation with my wife's family. I may be able to reach the forum by internet or not depending on whether I cant get a signal.

Don't feel like you have to check in, Donald! But DO enjoy the rest, relaxation, and the summer waves and water.

All best,
Kyle=

[Jewel]

Hello ,

I came across a will for Duncan Livingston of Anson County and just wanted to let anyone who might be interested to let me know and I will post it for them. It is dated October 5,1860 and the names mentioned are wife Martha, the Exercutors are Angus and Alexander. Daughters, Ellen, Martha and Susan, sons, Angus M., Alexander L., Isaiah Coke. This information came from " Will Book C ". page 170.

Two sons of Duncan Livingston also inlisted in the War. These were listed on the Roster for Anson county.

Alexander L. Livingston Company B-Regiment 31 PVT.
Isaiah Coke Livingston Company K- Regiment 26, inlisted May 10, 1862 in Anson County,N.C.


Also found on a Richmond County Roster for soldiers 1861-1865

Charles Livingston Blue's Company
Duncan D. Livingston 46th Regiment
Duncan J. Livingston 46th Regiment
D.W. Livingston 24th Regiment
John Livingston 46th Regiment


Jewel

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Jewel,

Those Richmond County Livingstons at the time of the Civil War would probably be descendants of old Duncan D. Livingston highland Livingstone pioneer of Richmond County North Carolina.

regards,

Donald

[Jewel]

Hello ,

Several weeks ago I made a inter library loan for a book "Carolina Scots" by,Douglas F. Kelly, it arrived today. It gives a discription of why so many Highlanders left Scotland and traveled to North Carolina. It starts around 1739 giving a verified list of 52 families, there were no Livingstones on this list.
In the index there was one Livingston, Eliza Livingston who was the second wife of a John McInnis in Robeson County No. Carolina, his first wife was Ruth Ann McMillan b. 1823,d.1859. John McInnis and Elizabeth Livinston had children ,Harriette, Charlie, Julia Isabel, and the fourth child Sarah with a question mark and stated hard to read. No dates given for this family.

There is an index of many of these scotland families with a short history, If anyone wants me to do look up for other names just let me know and I would be more than happy to help. There are hundreds of Scotland family names here so it could be very helpful.

I will have this book for a couple of weeks and will browse through to see if there might be anything of interest and get back to you.


Jewel

[Kyle MacLea]

Hello ,
In the index there was one Livingston, Eliza Livingston who was the second wife of a John McInnis in Robeson County No. Carolina, his first wife was Ruth Ann McMillan b. 1823,d.1859. John McInnis and Elizabeth Livinston had children ,Harriette, Charlie, Julia Isabel, and the fourth child Sarah with a question mark and stated hard to read. No dates given for this family.

Interesting to see another Livingston-McInnis connection. The hero Donald Livingston who saved the Appin Regiment Standard at Culloden was from Movern in Scotland, and his mother was a McInnis!

Any chance they came from Movern too?

Kyle=