Hi Kyle,
As you may have noticed in your dealings with Clan McInnis recently, their original ancestral homeland was in fact Morvern so it could be this McInnis family from Robeson County, NC were connected to that place. There were also alot of highland Argyllshire families that settled at Richmond County NC including a Livingston family whose descendant is close match at the 37 level. I dont know that the Livingston that settled in Richmond County, North Carolina was from Morvern but he was probably from somewhere in our highland Livingston ancestral heartland and had some sort of connection perhaps to the Morvern Livingstons of which I am descended to be a relatively close match to my cousin's DNA. In any event these folks are definitely some branch of the highland Maclea Livingstons from Western Argyll whereever exactly their families lived in Western Argyll. Whether we can tie them all to a Movern-Mull connection at least at this early stage is not likely but there may be a pattern emerging which may continue to unfold in the future. I dont know. I am certainly glad I made the decision to participate in this interesting process. It is well worth the cost. I went into this with three essential questions.
1.Am I related to the Bachuil Livingstons
2. Am I related to Dr. Livingstone
3. Am I related to an ancient Morvern/Mull group of Maclea Livingstons?
I have successfully answered No. 1 and 2 and knowing my ancestor came from Morvern I seeing some interesting results with some Mull and Morvern Livingstons in the early stages of the process I feel we are making at least some progress on question no. 3 which seems to be my remaining option.
regards,
Donald
regards,
Donald
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Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Hello Kyle,
I'll quote the book "Carolina Scots" on what it has on the McInnis family.
The Mcinnis family spread from the Longstreet Church section of Cumberland County to present Hoke County. The head of this family was Angus McInnis b. Feb.15,1785, near Inverlussa, Isle of Jura. His first wife was Mary Shaw of Jura. He was a sailor until he left Scotland for America sometime between 1815 and 1820. Angus McInnis emigrated with his wife and 3 children.
They came first to Quebec, then to New York, and thence by ship to Wilmington,N.C. and on up river to Fayetteville. Angus McInnis purchased land one mile west of Fayetteville and there farmed and raised his children. By his first wife he had 5 children: Duncan, Archibald,Isabel, Flora, and John. He then married Margaret McEachern of Robeson County,N.C. and had 6 more children, Annie,Neill,Malcolm,Daniel,Angus,James.
Jewel
I'll quote the book "Carolina Scots" on what it has on the McInnis family.
The Mcinnis family spread from the Longstreet Church section of Cumberland County to present Hoke County. The head of this family was Angus McInnis b. Feb.15,1785, near Inverlussa, Isle of Jura. His first wife was Mary Shaw of Jura. He was a sailor until he left Scotland for America sometime between 1815 and 1820. Angus McInnis emigrated with his wife and 3 children.
They came first to Quebec, then to New York, and thence by ship to Wilmington,N.C. and on up river to Fayetteville. Angus McInnis purchased land one mile west of Fayetteville and there farmed and raised his children. By his first wife he had 5 children: Duncan, Archibald,Isabel, Flora, and John. He then married Margaret McEachern of Robeson County,N.C. and had 6 more children, Annie,Neill,Malcolm,Daniel,Angus,James.
Jewel
Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Hi Kyle,
I forgot to mention that the John McInnis who's second wife was Eliza Livingston was the son of Angus McInnis and his first wife,Mary Shaw.
Jewel
I forgot to mention that the John McInnis who's second wife was Eliza Livingston was the son of Angus McInnis and his first wife,Mary Shaw.
Jewel
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Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Great information, Jewel! Thanks.... this Jura connection I think is not too far off either? Looks to be just south of Mull along with Islay. I would think well within the region the Clan is thought to be from.
And Donald--yes, I think this process has yielded some interesting information already. A cluster of Argyll McLeas NOT related to either the Doctor or the Baron is emerging. Where this takes us--who knows??
Kyle=
And Donald--yes, I think this process has yielded some interesting information already. A cluster of Argyll McLeas NOT related to either the Doctor or the Baron is emerging. Where this takes us--who knows??
Kyle=
Kyle S. MacLea
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Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Hello,
After going through the book "Carolina Scots" the author states that these Scottish families who settled in the Carolinas are only a few hundred of the many families that immigrated from Scotland to North Carolina.
He states that in the 1850 census for Robeson County there were a total of 48 families who came from Scotland, Livingston being one of them,I won't list the others.
It seems that many of the North Carolina in various counties were from Isle of Skye and others from Isle of Islay, Kintyre, Knapdale.
I thought I would just list a few families that might be of interest.
ISLE OF MULL
John McLean sailed from Greencock port of Glasgow to Willmington, N.C. on the Brig Mallyy Sept. 1, 1792. arrived October 16, 1792 and settled in Robeson County. John married Effie McLean and had 7 children. John d. may 15, 1846 age 76. Effie was the daughter of Hector and Jennet Murphy McLean, she was born Nov. 20,1781 and d. Dec. 20,1849,
Lismore & Appin
Revd. John McIntyre b. Aug. 21,1750 d.Nov. 17,1852,age 102. He was the son of Catherine Ann Stuart and John (or Donald) McIntyre. He married Catherine Ann McCallum. John sailed from Appin to Willmington on Aug. 10,1791.
Lismore
Daniel Carmichael b. 1750 settled in Richmond County 1792 and married Katherine Calhoun.
Appin
Hugh ("Steady") MColl son of Daniel and Nancy Gordon McColl. Hugh born 1777 and died in Marlboro County on Aug. 9, 1845. He married a Mary (McColl)McColl who was born Appin 1785 and died Dec. 22, 1853 in Marlboro County.
Jewel
After going through the book "Carolina Scots" the author states that these Scottish families who settled in the Carolinas are only a few hundred of the many families that immigrated from Scotland to North Carolina.
He states that in the 1850 census for Robeson County there were a total of 48 families who came from Scotland, Livingston being one of them,I won't list the others.
It seems that many of the North Carolina in various counties were from Isle of Skye and others from Isle of Islay, Kintyre, Knapdale.
I thought I would just list a few families that might be of interest.
ISLE OF MULL
John McLean sailed from Greencock port of Glasgow to Willmington, N.C. on the Brig Mallyy Sept. 1, 1792. arrived October 16, 1792 and settled in Robeson County. John married Effie McLean and had 7 children. John d. may 15, 1846 age 76. Effie was the daughter of Hector and Jennet Murphy McLean, she was born Nov. 20,1781 and d. Dec. 20,1849,
Lismore & Appin
Revd. John McIntyre b. Aug. 21,1750 d.Nov. 17,1852,age 102. He was the son of Catherine Ann Stuart and John (or Donald) McIntyre. He married Catherine Ann McCallum. John sailed from Appin to Willmington on Aug. 10,1791.
Lismore
Daniel Carmichael b. 1750 settled in Richmond County 1792 and married Katherine Calhoun.
Appin
Hugh ("Steady") MColl son of Daniel and Nancy Gordon McColl. Hugh born 1777 and died in Marlboro County on Aug. 9, 1845. He married a Mary (McColl)McColl who was born Appin 1785 and died Dec. 22, 1853 in Marlboro County.
Jewel
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Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Hi Jewel,
McColls are an old Appin family that actually predate the Stewarts of Appin in the area though they were often referred to as septs and loyal servants of the Stewarts of Appin. The Appin McColls distinquished themselves at the Battle of Culloden taking a large number of casualties while serving in Appin Regiment commanded by their friends the Stewarts of Appin.The Dewar manuscript collection had a story of a McColl rescuing the Appin Banner from the field of battle at Culloden in 1746 but that seems unlikely as it was known in Appin and throughout Western Argyll in the 1800's that the old Domhnull Mollach (Donald Livingstone) 1728-1816 of Savary, Morvern rescued the Appin Regimental banner from the Battle field.
As far as highland Livingstones go we can probably expect to find that many of the highland Livingstons that settled in America and Canada originated from Mull, Morvern and the Islands of Colonsay, Jury as well as a significant number from the Isle of Islay where my Morvern native ancestor Miles Livingston and his Livingston cousins lived prior to coming to Canada in 1812. There was to be sure Isle of Skye emigration to Atlantic Canada for example but very of few of our Livingston settlers originated from the Isle of Skye you will probably find. There were on the other hand interestingly a group of Morvern McInnis that colonized the Isle of Skye and there would therefore have been McInnis families living on the Isle of Skye in Scotland in the 1800's to be sure some of whom would later settle in North America.
regards,
Donald
McColls are an old Appin family that actually predate the Stewarts of Appin in the area though they were often referred to as septs and loyal servants of the Stewarts of Appin. The Appin McColls distinquished themselves at the Battle of Culloden taking a large number of casualties while serving in Appin Regiment commanded by their friends the Stewarts of Appin.The Dewar manuscript collection had a story of a McColl rescuing the Appin Banner from the field of battle at Culloden in 1746 but that seems unlikely as it was known in Appin and throughout Western Argyll in the 1800's that the old Domhnull Mollach (Donald Livingstone) 1728-1816 of Savary, Morvern rescued the Appin Regimental banner from the Battle field.
As far as highland Livingstones go we can probably expect to find that many of the highland Livingstons that settled in America and Canada originated from Mull, Morvern and the Islands of Colonsay, Jury as well as a significant number from the Isle of Islay where my Morvern native ancestor Miles Livingston and his Livingston cousins lived prior to coming to Canada in 1812. There was to be sure Isle of Skye emigration to Atlantic Canada for example but very of few of our Livingston settlers originated from the Isle of Skye you will probably find. There were on the other hand interestingly a group of Morvern McInnis that colonized the Isle of Skye and there would therefore have been McInnis families living on the Isle of Skye in Scotland in the 1800's to be sure some of whom would later settle in North America.
regards,
Donald
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Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Hi Jewel,
Sorry I should have stated that our Highland Livingstones in Argyll left their homes primarily in Mull, Morvern, Appin, Lismore,Colonsay, Jura and Islay in significant numbers for America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
regards,
Donald
Sorry I should have stated that our Highland Livingstones in Argyll left their homes primarily in Mull, Morvern, Appin, Lismore,Colonsay, Jura and Islay in significant numbers for America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
regards,
Donald
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Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Donald,
i am late to the game. just reading this thread about Livingstons in North Carolina from 2009. i am one of those Livingstons you were discussing in Scotland County, North Carolina. Hugh Livingston, born in 1805, died in 1873, was my great, great grandfather, and is buried in our family cemetary here, along with the next four generations. my very limited research leads me to strongly believe Hugh's father was a Duncan Livingston, who received land grants here in 1801, 1825, and 1827, right in the vicinity where i believe our family was located at the time. i would love to confirm Duncan's information, and try to trace my ancestry further. i am interested in the DNA project, and want to find out how to get tested.
Hope you are still interested. perhaps we are long lost cousins? who was the Duncan David Livingston you were mentioning? were you tied to him by DNA?
i am late to the game. just reading this thread about Livingstons in North Carolina from 2009. i am one of those Livingstons you were discussing in Scotland County, North Carolina. Hugh Livingston, born in 1805, died in 1873, was my great, great grandfather, and is buried in our family cemetary here, along with the next four generations. my very limited research leads me to strongly believe Hugh's father was a Duncan Livingston, who received land grants here in 1801, 1825, and 1827, right in the vicinity where i believe our family was located at the time. i would love to confirm Duncan's information, and try to trace my ancestry further. i am interested in the DNA project, and want to find out how to get tested.
Hope you are still interested. perhaps we are long lost cousins? who was the Duncan David Livingston you were mentioning? were you tied to him by DNA?
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Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Hi Allan,
Welcome to the forum. Sorry I did not see your recent message earlier. Our Clan Society is indeed very interested as I am in the North Carolina Livingstons. Did you contact the forum in the past? It has been a while so I will have to refresh my memory on North Carolina Livingstons. Yes we have done some research a while back, regarding the descendants of a Duncan David Livingston whose ancestor was Charles Hannah Livingston b. 1865 son of Hugh Livingston born abt. 1805 of Williamson Township, Richmond County, NC and his wife Mary. Sounds like you and Duncan David Livingston could very well be related if you are ancestrally connected to these Williamson Township, Richmond County Livingstons of the 19th century.
Interestingly, it has been stated that Hugh Livingston was the son of Duncan Daniel Livingston b. 1774 Scotland d. 1860 of Richmond County, NC, but I checking over the death info I believe that it was another Duncan Livingston that resided in Lillesville, ANson County that died in 1860 at age 71 (he is too young) and that somehow the information got confused. It is my understanding that Hugh's father was married to an Ann McLean Not sure about a second wife said to be Mary McInnis. Duncan Livingston of Anson COunty according to his will of 1860 was married to Martha and the children mentioned in the will were sons ANgus and Alexander and Isaiah Coke Livingston, Ellen Martha and Susan. I thought that Duncan Livingston of Anson County might actually have been married to Mary McInis as there is a record of a Mary Livingston dying at Lillesvale Anson County at age 78 but I have no proof that she was a wife of Duncan Livingston of Anson County and his 1860 will apparently refers to his wife as having been "Martha" so that probably rules that out.
Yes definitely your participation in the Clan Maclea Livingstone Society DNA project would be helpful in determining your ancestral connections with other Livingstons in the Project.
More on your Livingstons in the next message below.
regards,
Donald (Livingstone) Clink
Historian
Clan Maclea Livingstone Society
Welcome to the forum. Sorry I did not see your recent message earlier. Our Clan Society is indeed very interested as I am in the North Carolina Livingstons. Did you contact the forum in the past? It has been a while so I will have to refresh my memory on North Carolina Livingstons. Yes we have done some research a while back, regarding the descendants of a Duncan David Livingston whose ancestor was Charles Hannah Livingston b. 1865 son of Hugh Livingston born abt. 1805 of Williamson Township, Richmond County, NC and his wife Mary. Sounds like you and Duncan David Livingston could very well be related if you are ancestrally connected to these Williamson Township, Richmond County Livingstons of the 19th century.
Interestingly, it has been stated that Hugh Livingston was the son of Duncan Daniel Livingston b. 1774 Scotland d. 1860 of Richmond County, NC, but I checking over the death info I believe that it was another Duncan Livingston that resided in Lillesville, ANson County that died in 1860 at age 71 (he is too young) and that somehow the information got confused. It is my understanding that Hugh's father was married to an Ann McLean Not sure about a second wife said to be Mary McInnis. Duncan Livingston of Anson COunty according to his will of 1860 was married to Martha and the children mentioned in the will were sons ANgus and Alexander and Isaiah Coke Livingston, Ellen Martha and Susan. I thought that Duncan Livingston of Anson County might actually have been married to Mary McInis as there is a record of a Mary Livingston dying at Lillesvale Anson County at age 78 but I have no proof that she was a wife of Duncan Livingston of Anson County and his 1860 will apparently refers to his wife as having been "Martha" so that probably rules that out.
Yes definitely your participation in the Clan Maclea Livingstone Society DNA project would be helpful in determining your ancestral connections with other Livingstons in the Project.
More on your Livingstons in the next message below.
regards,
Donald (Livingstone) Clink
Historian
Clan Maclea Livingstone Society
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Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Hi Allan,
Given the fact that what is today Scotland County, North Carolina is known to have been settled in the 1700's by highland Scots there is a very strong possibility that your ancestor Duncan Livingston was of highland Western Argyll origin though I regret I don't have any information as where in Western Argyll he originated. I am however fairly certain it would have somewhere in Mull, Colonsay, Morvern, Lismore or Appin where Western Argyll Livingstone largely resided in the 1700's.
I see that Scotland County was created in 1899 from Richmond County. If you could give me your known basic Livingston ancestral line from yourself to your great-grandfather that would be great, so we understand how you are connected to Hugh and his father Duncan. It is wonderful that so many of your Livingston ancestors are buried in that old cemetery and that the cemetery has been preserved over the years. So many of the old pioneer cemeteries are forgotten and neglected.
There were Livingstons that settled in Anson County and Montgomery Counties but I don't believe they are related to you. There was a Duncan livingston born abt. 1790 died 1860 who resided in Anson County that gets confused with an older Duncan Livingston who was much older than that and resided in Richmond County. Duncan Livingston and his wife Anne Mclean are your ancestors if you are descended from one of the sons of Duncan and Ann. I have seen it stated that Duncan Livingston was born abt. 1774 but I am not certain that is the correct Duncan Livingston that resided in Richmond County. For many years Duncan and Ann's son Hugh Livingston born abt. 1805 resided in Williamson Township, Richmond County, NC with his wife Mary and family.
This is the census info I have seen for a Duncan Livingston of Richmond County, NC which may be your ancestor. Also his son Hugh whom we were researching at an earlier time.
You may be already familiar with this info from earlier postings but I thought I would look through it again to help refresh my memory and check and make sure it all makes sense.
1. Duncan Livingston Fayetteville, Richmond County, NC 1800 Census
2. Duncan Levingston Richmond County, NC 1810 Census
3. Duncan Livingston Richmond County, NC 1820 Census
4. Duncan Levingston Richmond County, NC 1830 Census (Age 60-69) ( There is also a Duncan Livingston Anson County, North Carolina in the 1830 Census)
5.Hugh Livingston 1840 Census Rockingham District, Richmond County, NC
Duncan Livingston Anson County, NC 1840 Census ( Duncan Livingston of Richmond County not listed and census info ends for him) I believe he actually died bet. 1830-1840 I also think it clear that it was Duncan Livingston of Anson County who died at Lillesville in 1860 as there is an obituary that indicates that from 1860.
6. Hugh Livingston Williamson District, Richmond County, NC 1850 Census
Hugh age 47
Mary age 32
Charles age 11 ( He had two sons named Charles oddly enough. This eldest son Charles I was told died during the Civil war and a later son was named after him)
Anne age 10
John age 7
Duncan age 6
Mary age 4
Martha age 1
1860 Census Hugh Livingston Wolfpitt, Richmond County, NC
Hugh age 56
Mary age 42
John 16
Duncan age 15
Mary age 13
Martha age 11
Sarah age 9
Hugh age 7
Peter age 5
Hugh Livingston Williamson Township, Richmond County, NC 1870 Census
Hugh age 66
Mary age 54
John age 26
Martha age 21
Sarah age 19
Hugh Jr. age 17
Peter age 15
Joseph A age 10
Charles age 6*
*A son Charles Hannah Livingston was born abt. 1865 and was named after the eldest son Charles of Hugh and Mary who I am told died in the Civil War.
Mary Livingston Williamson Township, RIchmond County, NC 1880 Census
Mary age 62
Hugh Jr. age 26
Sally?
Joseph age 20
Charles age 15
Hope this is all of some help to your research.
regards,
Donald
Given the fact that what is today Scotland County, North Carolina is known to have been settled in the 1700's by highland Scots there is a very strong possibility that your ancestor Duncan Livingston was of highland Western Argyll origin though I regret I don't have any information as where in Western Argyll he originated. I am however fairly certain it would have somewhere in Mull, Colonsay, Morvern, Lismore or Appin where Western Argyll Livingstone largely resided in the 1700's.
I see that Scotland County was created in 1899 from Richmond County. If you could give me your known basic Livingston ancestral line from yourself to your great-grandfather that would be great, so we understand how you are connected to Hugh and his father Duncan. It is wonderful that so many of your Livingston ancestors are buried in that old cemetery and that the cemetery has been preserved over the years. So many of the old pioneer cemeteries are forgotten and neglected.
There were Livingstons that settled in Anson County and Montgomery Counties but I don't believe they are related to you. There was a Duncan livingston born abt. 1790 died 1860 who resided in Anson County that gets confused with an older Duncan Livingston who was much older than that and resided in Richmond County. Duncan Livingston and his wife Anne Mclean are your ancestors if you are descended from one of the sons of Duncan and Ann. I have seen it stated that Duncan Livingston was born abt. 1774 but I am not certain that is the correct Duncan Livingston that resided in Richmond County. For many years Duncan and Ann's son Hugh Livingston born abt. 1805 resided in Williamson Township, Richmond County, NC with his wife Mary and family.
This is the census info I have seen for a Duncan Livingston of Richmond County, NC which may be your ancestor. Also his son Hugh whom we were researching at an earlier time.
You may be already familiar with this info from earlier postings but I thought I would look through it again to help refresh my memory and check and make sure it all makes sense.
1. Duncan Livingston Fayetteville, Richmond County, NC 1800 Census
2. Duncan Levingston Richmond County, NC 1810 Census
3. Duncan Livingston Richmond County, NC 1820 Census
4. Duncan Levingston Richmond County, NC 1830 Census (Age 60-69) ( There is also a Duncan Livingston Anson County, North Carolina in the 1830 Census)
5.Hugh Livingston 1840 Census Rockingham District, Richmond County, NC
Duncan Livingston Anson County, NC 1840 Census ( Duncan Livingston of Richmond County not listed and census info ends for him) I believe he actually died bet. 1830-1840 I also think it clear that it was Duncan Livingston of Anson County who died at Lillesville in 1860 as there is an obituary that indicates that from 1860.
6. Hugh Livingston Williamson District, Richmond County, NC 1850 Census
Hugh age 47
Mary age 32
Charles age 11 ( He had two sons named Charles oddly enough. This eldest son Charles I was told died during the Civil war and a later son was named after him)
Anne age 10
John age 7
Duncan age 6
Mary age 4
Martha age 1
1860 Census Hugh Livingston Wolfpitt, Richmond County, NC
Hugh age 56
Mary age 42
John 16
Duncan age 15
Mary age 13
Martha age 11
Sarah age 9
Hugh age 7
Peter age 5
Hugh Livingston Williamson Township, Richmond County, NC 1870 Census
Hugh age 66
Mary age 54
John age 26
Martha age 21
Sarah age 19
Hugh Jr. age 17
Peter age 15
Joseph A age 10
Charles age 6*
*A son Charles Hannah Livingston was born abt. 1865 and was named after the eldest son Charles of Hugh and Mary who I am told died in the Civil War.
Mary Livingston Williamson Township, RIchmond County, NC 1880 Census
Mary age 62
Hugh Jr. age 26
Sally?
Joseph age 20
Charles age 15
Hope this is all of some help to your research.
regards,
Donald