My Livingston(e) Line

[beadmom]

I got the Golden City Cemetery on the phone today and Donald is not buried there.

I'll keep looking.

Ginger

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Ginger,
We can see where the search at Golden, Colorado takes us, but here are a few ideas.
You should look for a death record presumely if he died in the State of Colorado his death was registered and the state or County where he died has a record. Then having found that it will tell you where he was living at the time of his death and of course when he died. Sounds like you already know what state, County and township, town he died in. If not you need to find out that info and then proceed. You should be able to send away for a copy of the death record of Donald Livingson b.1863 for a small fee from the County CLerks office where he died. I assume he died in the State of Colorado. It might also help to figure out what church he attended as someone in the present day congregation or the minister might be able to give you some idea where burials in the early 1900's when I presume Donald Livingston died took place for that congregation and church community. If he died a big city it is little more a challenge than if it was small town or village with only a few churches and more importantly cemeteries available.

We have not been able to find Donald in subsequent census records in Colorado after 1900, so a death record would be helpful to locate and confirm where he died. I assume from what you told us that he remained in Colorado, was in the quarry business and died in Golden Colorado in the early 1900's. Sounds like he died after 1921 from what you said. Golden is in Jefferson County I believe so you may be able access a death record from them. Death records sometimes list where the deceased was interred and the date of burial and later ones often have the names of the parents of the deceased. YOu could contact the Jefferson County Vital Statistics Office at 303-271-6450 or go to their web site. You can have a copy of his death record sent to you by mail for a small fee providing they can locate it apparently.

I was wondering if your grandfather might recall if his father or grandfather were of the Episcopalian church which was the church that your great-great grandfather and his ancestors attended in Scotland. I noticed that the oldest Episcopalian church in Colorado is located in Golden and there still are Episcopalian congregations in Golden. I just ask because unless Donald switched churches if people sometimes do, he might have remained a practicing Episcopalian at Golden and attended one of the churches there. If you can verify he was likely Episcopalian, the churches in Golden might have old records such as church membership lists etc listing Donald.

Anyways I thought I would see if any of this would help in locating more information on your great-great grandfather.

regards,

Donald

[beadmom]

Thank You Donald. I will get on this as soon as I can. I have a crisis to handle and will be out of town for the rest of the week.

In regards to the Golden City Cemetery, it has caused no end of amusement for my coworkers today.

I was out on an errand with our CEO a gruff 65 yr old 200+ IQ bi-polar cowboy who can be somewhat paranoid at times. While he was in taking care of something, I was out calling the Golden City Cemetery. I left a message with my details and was awaiting their return call.

We were driving down the road talking about death. People we knew who had died in crashes and other gruesome things (he knew nothing about the cemetery call it just happened to be the topic.) His phone rang. He answered it and got this funny look on his face and said "What?, Uhm... Who is this? Who were you trying to reach?" Then he handed me the phone and said "It's for you." I thought for a minute we had gotten our phones switched because we have the same model. I picked it up and a guy said "This is the cemetery. Your people aren't buried here." Apparently I had given the return call number as his and not mine (we are one number away from each other.)

He was a little un-nerved that we were talking about death and the cemetery called him.....but we laughed all the way up the road.

Ginger

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Kyle,
Thanks again for retrieving those old forum postings.
Regarding John Livingston's posting of his Ballachulish ancestor James Livingston posted July 2006 on the old forum, four children including his ancestor James Livingston Jr.of Australia had their birth information recorded by the St. James Episcopalian Church at Ballachulish which their parents James Livingston Sr. and Isabel (Bell) Clark attended. So the family were most definitely attending church in Ballachulish and living at Wesr Laroch,in southern Bellachulish, Glencoe District, Appin Parish,Argyll as well where as John mentioned he was employed at the local slate Quarry apparently before leaving for Australia in the 1850's. I have not read his other postings but here is the birth information which by now he has surely seen.

Duncan b.Nov 12, 1839
Ann b. June 25,1842
James Jr. b.June 9,1844
Mary b.June 28,1846

Also note that in the early records I think that Ballachulish was in Duror Parish and I refered to Ballachulish as being in Duror Parish. Later records mention West Laroch, Southern Ballachulish as in Appin Parish or Appin and Lismore Parish Glencoe District so it is bound to get confusing at some point. Part of Laroch East Laroch I think was in Glencoe or something like that. Anyways Ballachulish and Glencoe are close enough I assume.

This is actually getting quite interesting. Now I just need to relocate the person from the New Zealand family that I think is related to John Livingston b. 1812 Shepherd and Christian Rankin of Laroch,Ballachulish

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Ginger,

THis Livingston Gold Mining Company of Boulder Colorado was incorporated in 1922 had 300 acres of claims and there was an ore operation in 1915. I would imagine that these claims existed long before your ancestor arrived at Colorado. This was not your family business was it?

Interestly I noticed that the Colorado School of Mines was established by the Episcopal church in Golden for some reason. I think you mentioned that your ancestor lived across the street from this School.

regards,

Donald

[beadmom]

I really am not sure about the mines. Grandma and Grandpa both seem to think he owned a quarry but then Grandpa said he might have had a headstone company but it was also possible he had mines.. That was when he said he's wished he paid more attention to those things. (I am kind of thinking if he would have had a headstone company a kid would remember that.) That's the hard thing about asking for 80yr old memories.

Grandpa did say the house was across the street from the Colorado School of Mines and was now a frat house. This was more recent information from a trip they took there.

I am thinking that I will call the Golden Cemetery back when I get a chance and ask them about other possible cemeteries in the area I might have missed. At the time I took the call I was distracted and forgot to ask that.


Thanks, Ginger

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi GInger,

Perhaps that was his last location across from the MIning school. Golden Cemetery is quite old but he could be buried someplace else. YOu Still may get lucky and be able to find a death record which might give you some idea where he was lived before he died and where he was buried.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Ginger,

I updated today your ancestral information summary on page 6. I found a birth record for Donald's younger brother John born 1866 at Ballachulish from the St. James Ballachulish Church records indicating the parents Dugald and Catherine Livingston and family were still in 1866 at Ballachulish and it would appear the rest of the family were not baptised or born at Ballachulish because they had moved to nearby Ardchattan Parish where they first lived at the village of BOnawe and later Kenacraig. I am assuming son Charles the third child born in 1869 was born at Ardchattan parish as is indicated in the 1881 Scottish but oddly not in the 1871 Census which suggests he born at Ballachulish. Just to confuse things eh.

Anyways I made some changes and updates from time to time but I think the update on page 6 is ok for now. Just keep checking it for updates because I add to it from time to time rather than do a new postings.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

HI GInger,

Ask your Grandfather if he has any recollection of his grandfather being of the episcopalian church. The family was Episcopalian in Scotland and Donald b.1863 was apparently baptised in that church in Glasgow. High Church is Episcopalian I think. Curiously there were a number of Episcopalian congregations in Golden including the Calvary Church the oldest Episcopalian church in Colorado I think. I wonder if the Golden Cemetery was connected to any one church in Golden or multi denominational. I just noticed that it seems to be the oldest cemetery in Golden over a 100 years apparently. So you certainly made a logical choice checking out that one. Dont despair if he cant be found there. THere still is a chance that a death record can be found in Jefferson County with some useful info on old Donald.

regards,

Donald

[beadmom]

Thanks Donald. Things should be a little quieter early next week and I'll be able to check with the Colorado recorder. You have found an amazing amount of stuff. I'll ask Grandpa about the Episcopal church this weekend.

Ginger