Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research

[Livingstone_PEI]

Hi All

I'm trudging along in my search. You may remember my ancestor Colin came from Whycocomagh in Nova Scotia. I had come to the conclusion he arrived in PEI shortly before he passed away, likely in 1865. It seems this is not correct. I found this in a new project of the University of Prince Edward Island and it looks like he was in ownership of the farm in Forest Hill in 1845. I haven't looked at how this affects our other conclusions, but will have to evaluate this now. I suspect he may have had ownership of the farm, but was not living there since all of his children were born in Nova Scotia, as far as I know.

http://www.islandimagined.ca/fedora/rep ... ned:209192

This is an interesting site and it has alot of old maps of mostly the Eastern PEI area

Barry

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Barry,
Hope you had a good holiday and did over indulge in turkey and maritime lobster at Christmas. Nice to hear from you again.
That is interesting news. After all your efforts and frustrations it is great to make a research breakthrough in regards to your Prince Edward Island Livingstones. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to show this new Livingston info to one of the archivists at the PEI archives as it would be great to get feedback from them. It certainly seems to look like Colin Livingston on one of the lots on the 1845 maps. Does that look like the correct lot location near Forest Hill? If it is in fact Colin Livingston then he could have gone to PEI from Mull River Cape Breton as a young man. I wonder if we can verify that is Colin Livingston and determine when he and the other listed on that map acquired those small land grants.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Barry,
It seems clear that Colin Livingston had 100 acres or more land in Lot 55 well before the 1850's or 1860's. I would not think not much before that 1845 map given that he would have been in his late 20's at the time. I wonder when exactly he acquired this land. In 1845 or sometimee before. Given that his 1845 Settlement Lot map exists for Lot 55 listing occupants is there is a written record of your ancestor Colin Livington's land transaction. We may never now exact details of his situation in regards to the timing of his residence in Cape Breton and his residence in PEIl but it is reasonably certain from the information his family submitted for his obituary that he had lived earlier in his life in Whycomagh, Cape Breton and therefore it would seem he was likely a brother of farmer Alexander Livingston the principal Livingston householder living in Whycomagh in the 1860's and 1870's. Whether or not Colin was connected to the neighbouring Mull River Livingstons I cannot prove 100% regretably but the Whycocomagh, Cape Breton origins seems clear enough from his 1867 PEI obituary presumingly composed by his own Livingston family at the time of his death. But as you say this 1845 map does seem to indicate what looks like Colin Livingston located in Lot 55. I recall from an earlier posting in 2009 that you had located some info proving that Colin had owned land in the Forest Hill area in Lot 55, Kings County, PEI at the time of his death.

Hi Barry,

Thank-you for those land records. Clearly Colin had owned land at Forest Hill at the time of death in 1867 and the farm was located in Lot 55, Kings County, Prince Edward Island. Unless it is lost there must be an earlier record in an old land book in Kings County or at PEI archives recording a purchase of this farm by Colin Livingston presumingly in the 1860's, but possibly before. That record will indicate where Colin was living in the 1860's or whenever he purchased his property at Lot 55, Kings County. This record will likely be an earlier land book from the 1860's or earlier and is probably now housed in the PEI archives. They can tell you whether or not they have this record from an alphabetical land index probably or whether the land office in Kings County still has the original book with the entry. You really need to find this record as it may mention offer further proof that Colin was a resident in Whycocomagh and establish when he went to PEI. From Catharine's transaction from 1892 we know that Colin was indeed a resident of Forest Hill, Lot 55, Kings County, PEI and was not just visiting his sons when he died according to the Obituary in 1867.

In regards to land records pertaining to the Whycocomagh Livingstons I got the impression that there were no land records so I am curious just how they came be on that property at Skye Mountain and the details. I will ask Dr. St. Clair about this again.

John Livingston who received land at Georgetown, PEI in 1803 was one of the earliest Livingston settlers in PEI mentioned in the records along with Roberta's ancestor John Livingston and thus had caught my attention and curiosity when you mentioned about this land record you found.

Thanks again,

Donald

[Joyce Kennedy]

Hi , My greatgrandfather was John Livingstone b.abt 1793 d. 1864 . His tombstone says he was a native of Colonsay .He was married to Margaret MacLeod from Valtos, Skye, daughter of Donald Ban Oig MacLeod and Mary Martin who came to PEI. His parents were Duncan Livingstone and Flora Shaw . John was a school teacher and lived in Melville PEI and then moved to High Bank Lot 64. My grandfather Donald Livingstone was born in 1853 after they came to High Bank.He married Mary Ann MacLeod from Kinross PEI. I don't know when John came to PEI .There was one brother who went to C B My Livingstones have such wide spanned generations. I remember my father saying he was born in the 20th C and his grandfather in the 18thC. so it makes it a bit hard to do our family tree. I am hopeing that perhaps there may be a descendant of his brother in N.S that knows they are descendants of Duncan and Flora that I can connect to. Thank you Joyce Livingstone Kennedy

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Joyce,

Welcome to the forum.
I received a message from Barry Judson the other day regarding your PEI Livington inquiries.
I noticed that some Shaws and McMillans, others from Colonsay, apparent a large Colonsay,Argyllshire Scotland group arrived in 1819 aboard the ship "Economy" at PEI and that significantly unlike some earlier Ship arrivals there is no suviving passenger list for this ship so that vessel could have included your ancestor John Livingston son of Duncan Livingston and Flora Shaw. Often groups of familes from specific locations in highland Western Argyll like Mull and Colonsay left in groups, some of them related in some way, in-laws, cousins etc. More later. According to surviving passenger lists three other vessels containing Livingstons arrived in 1806 at PEI, one the Rambler travelling from Tobermory, Mull carried PEI pioneer Donald Livingston and his wife Mary and family who settled at Nine Mile Creek, Lot 65, Queens County, PEI. ANother ship the Humphreys that departed Tobermory, Mull in 1806 contained John Livingston a young man of about 18 who after being in PEI moved on to Cape Breton where he received a land grant at Low Point, Cape Breton . These two Livingston families I am certain from their records are of Mull origin and these vessels picked up these passengers at the port of Tobermory, Mull. The third vessell The Spencer contained a Livingston woman and a daughter in her thirties and some of the families aboard this ship including possibly these Livingstons were apparently from Colonsay. This vessel departed from the port of Oban, Argyllshire in Western Argyll also in 1806.

I must confess not to familiar with this vessel the Economy and there is no surviving passenger list, but it seems there is some knowledge out there that Colonsay settlers arrived in 1819 aboard this ship.

I could not find a record of John Livingston born or baptised the son of Duncan Livingston and FLora Shaw in the Scottish Parish records unfortunately.

regards,

Donald (Livingstone) Clink

[jmlivingstone]

Donald & Joyce,

This may supply a little more information, emigration was abt 1830, & according to this, John appears to have married twice,

MARGARET8 MACLEOD (MARY7 MARTIN, JOHN6, MARTIN5, JOHN4, DONALD MACGILLE3 MHARTAIN, TAOS GILLE2, AONGHAS NA GAOITHE / AONGHAS1) was born 1815 in Skye, Scotland, and died 29 April 1903 in aged 88. She married JOHN LIVINGSTONE. He was born 1793 in Isle of Colonsay, Scotland, and died 1 January 1864 in aged 71.
More About MARGARET MACLEOD:
A.k.a: Margaret Ban Oig MacLeod
Burial: Belle River Pioneer Cemetery, Lot 62, PEI, #25
Emigration: 1830, Brown,s Creek, Lot 59, PEI
Residence: High Bank, Lot 64, PEI

More About JOHN LIVINGSTONE:
Burial: Belle River Pioneer Cemetery, Lot 62, PEI, #25
Children: Had children with both wives
Occupation: Farmer in High Bank, Lot 64, PEI
Child of MARGARET MACLEOD and JOHN LIVINGSTONE is:
i. DONALD9 LIVINGSTONE, b. High Bank, Lot 64, PEI; m. MARY ANNE MACLEOD; b. ca. 1869,,

John Livingstone

[jmlivingstone]

Hi Donald,

The Economy made two, possibly three trips from Tobermory/Colonsay to Pictou/PEI in 1819/20, no signs of Duncan or Flora on board, the list below is the only passengers listed from Colonsay,

1819 PEI AMOS, Flora, 1818-97 m. Archibald Shaw "Economy"
1819 PEI AMOS, Joseph, 1811-1905 m. Catherine McNeill "Economy"
1819 PEI AMOS, Malcolm, 1789-?? m. Ellen Gillis "Economy"
1819 PEI AMOS, Margaret, 1816-46 m. Malcolm James Ferguson "Economy"
1819 PEI AMOS, Robert, 1815-1900 m. Margaret McNeill "Economy"
1819 PEI CURRIE, John 1798-1885 "Economy"
1819 PEI GILLIS, Ellen 1786-18??m. Malcolm Amos "Economy"
1819 PEI MacCannell, Duncan b. 1792 CSA d.1873 bur. St. Catherines PEI "Economy"
1819 PEI McNEIL, Donald 1787-1848 d. Lot 31 "Economy"
1819 Pictou JOHNSTON, Duncan 1819-1911 (with parents) "Economy"
Became shipbuilder [probable error. Duncan Johnston from COLL (sailed 1819) was foreman at Kitchen Shipyard, River John Pictou N.S. Was there a second Duncan Johnston?];
1819 PEI via Pictou SHAW, Neil 1788-1875 m. Jane Dockendorff d. Lot 52; "Economy"
1820 PEI CURRIE, Duncan 1800-32 "Economy"
1820 PEI CURRIE, Malcolm 1774-1864 m. Sarah McEachern "Economy"
1820 PEI CURRIE, Mary m. John McPherson "Economy"
1820 PEI MacEACHERN, Sarah 1775-1832 m. Malcolm Currie "Economy"

John

[Joyce Kennedy]

Hi Donald & John , Thanks Donald for the info on the ships. I thought that John may have come at the same time as Margarets parents which was in 1829 on probably the Mary Kennedy but I realized today that Margaret would have been only 14 and likely not married. Why John did you think that John was married twice? I could only find birth records for my gfather Donald b.1853 and for Margaret b.1855 These were in the Ch of Scot records which was labelled Vol 1 1853-1886 I have birth years for Duncan1840 ,John 1851, and Flora, their firstborn ,on her tombstone it says she was 40 d.1880, but her granddaughter told me that she was 46 when she died making her birthdate 1834. I have no dates for Kate, Mary or Angus. Angus was suppose to have been killed in a mining accident in Springhill ,N.S. sometime between 1864-1883. I looked at the list of miners killed but couldn’t find his name. He may have been killed in a one man accident and not on a list. Joyce

[jmlivingstone]

Hi Joyce,

Ref John being married twice, see third line below, ''Had children with both wives'', although it certainly does not mention any name for a second wife,

More About JOHN LIVINGSTONE:
Burial: Belle River Pioneer Cemetery, Lot 62, PEI, #25
Children: Had children with both wives
Occupation: Farmer in High Bank, Lot 64, PEI
Child of MARGARET MACLEOD and JOHN LIVINGSTONE is:
DONALD LIVINGSTONE, b. High Bank, Lot 64, PEI; m. MARY ANNE MACLEOD; b. ca. 1869,

By the way, if you go back through older postings, I think around 2009, you will find some previous info on the ship Economy,

John

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Joyce,
Yes I also seem now to recall that your Livingston ancestor John Livingston and Margaret McLeod arrived quite a bit later than 1819, 1840 actually in my info annd it does not appear that they were with the Colonsay settlers that arrived in 1819, McMillans, Shaws etc. John has been filling us in on his own Colonsay Livingston connection and in the process I have been gradually figuring out where the few Livingston families whom lived on Colonsay in the early 1800's lived. In the case of the Maclea Livingstone forum JOhn his Colonsay Livingstons were actually originally from South Western Mull Ross of Mull. But you can actually see Colonsay in the distance from Ross of Mull so the one if not far at all from the other.

There has some been some discussion on this forum earlier regarding John Livingston and Margaret McLeod and the Murray River Livingstons as I recall. Our Cape Breton Livingston family historians Roberta Livingston and Jewel Brown who have Livingston roots in early PEI and Cape Breton I believe have also looked into John Livingston and Margaret McLeod and the PEI family group associated with them. John is also obviously familar with other Colonsay Livingstons including your John Livington and wife Margaret McLeod of Skye who settled in PEI. I do remember seeing that this family was connected to Lot 64 and that they arrived much later than the other early PEI Livingstons I had been studying. About 1840 as John stated.
I was up late the last few days working on some other Livingston related research and my brain was working at half speed I think yesterday. I remember John Livingston and Margaret McLeod now. I actually listed John and Mary a while ago on a spread sheet of Canadian Livingstons with the information they had arrived in 1840, where they settled and who there were. I should have just checked that. Anyways there already seems to be quite a bit of info on John and Margaret and it is great that our Maclea Livingstone Society has made contact with a descendant.

I didnt know about more than one wife. I just saw the info on Margaret McLeod of the Isle of SKye. As previously mentioned I could not find any info on a Duncan Livingston and Flora Shaw in the Scottish parish records.

regards,

Donald