The population in the Ballachulish area at one time seems to have been mainly Episcopalian. My great grandmother was a Cameron and her family came originally from Morven. They then lived for a time in Ballachulish, and my great great grandfather worked in the slate quarry there. A relative of his, who was an Episcopalian minister, gave him an Episcopalian prayer book. It was in gaelic and inscribed "presented to Alex Cameron by his cousin the Rev. Dun. McKenzie as a parting pledge of his affection. Ballachulish, Jan 10 1842". The Rev. Duncan McKenzie emigrated to Australia.
Jill
My Livingston(e) Line
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Jill Richmond
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Re: My Livingston(e) Line
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Re: My Livingston(e) Line
Hi Jill,
There does seem to be an Australian/New Zealand connection to these Ballachulish Livingstons that attended St. John's Episcopal Church and many of whom were connected to the Slate Quarry at Ballachulish and lived at West Laroch. Now we know there is a also a Colorado, USA Livingston connection with Ginger's great-great grandfather that arrived in America in the 1880's. Oddly enough I was in contact with a third Livingston one from New Zealand whom I last year traced their ancestor that settled in New Zealand to John Livingston b.1812 a shepherd who also lived at West Laroch Village in Southern Ballachulish. Kyle and I suspect this John Livingston could be a brother of James Livingston b.1805 who also lived at the West Laroch in the early 1800's and whose descendant is part of our DNA project. Now even more interesting is that Ginger's ancestor Donald Livingston b. 1802 and his wife Ann Stewart also lived in West Laroch village where he was a slate quarrier and he and all of these Livingstons attended St. John's Episcopal Church which makes me wonder if they are all related in some way perhaps brothers. This just seems to get more interesting all the time. Now your added information makes it more so. Thanks for that.
regards,
Donald
There does seem to be an Australian/New Zealand connection to these Ballachulish Livingstons that attended St. John's Episcopal Church and many of whom were connected to the Slate Quarry at Ballachulish and lived at West Laroch. Now we know there is a also a Colorado, USA Livingston connection with Ginger's great-great grandfather that arrived in America in the 1880's. Oddly enough I was in contact with a third Livingston one from New Zealand whom I last year traced their ancestor that settled in New Zealand to John Livingston b.1812 a shepherd who also lived at West Laroch Village in Southern Ballachulish. Kyle and I suspect this John Livingston could be a brother of James Livingston b.1805 who also lived at the West Laroch in the early 1800's and whose descendant is part of our DNA project. Now even more interesting is that Ginger's ancestor Donald Livingston b. 1802 and his wife Ann Stewart also lived in West Laroch village where he was a slate quarrier and he and all of these Livingstons attended St. John's Episcopal Church which makes me wonder if they are all related in some way perhaps brothers. This just seems to get more interesting all the time. Now your added information makes it more so. Thanks for that.
regards,
Donald
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Canadian Livingstone
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Re: My Livingston(e) Line
Hi Jill,
There is in Baron Alastair Livingstone's book "No Quarter Given" in the list of enlisted men whom are known to served in the Appin Regiment 1745-1746 during the Rebellion of 1745 one John Livingston of Ballachulish Estate, possibly connected to the several generations of John Maconleas that lived in the Lettermore/Ballachulish area. Local Kin of this John Livingston (Maconlea) may have been involved in removing the remains of James Stewart, James of the Glen disrespectfully hanging on display in Ballachulish in the 1750's to be given a proper burial. The tragic tale of James of the Glen figures prominently in Robert Louis Stevenson's book "Kidnapped". Ballachulish would certainly be a destination to include on any Livingston related theme tour of Western Argyllshire along with the Isle of Lismore.
regards,
Donald
There is in Baron Alastair Livingstone's book "No Quarter Given" in the list of enlisted men whom are known to served in the Appin Regiment 1745-1746 during the Rebellion of 1745 one John Livingston of Ballachulish Estate, possibly connected to the several generations of John Maconleas that lived in the Lettermore/Ballachulish area. Local Kin of this John Livingston (Maconlea) may have been involved in removing the remains of James Stewart, James of the Glen disrespectfully hanging on display in Ballachulish in the 1750's to be given a proper burial. The tragic tale of James of the Glen figures prominently in Robert Louis Stevenson's book "Kidnapped". Ballachulish would certainly be a destination to include on any Livingston related theme tour of Western Argyllshire along with the Isle of Lismore.
regards,
Donald
Re: My Livingston(e) Line
Chatted with Grandpa this morning.....He thinks that Donald was not particularly religious. Definitely not practicing Episcopalian..as his parents were not and he thinks that trickles down. (I think that coming to America might have freed him from obligations he may not have adored as a child).
Grandma thinks Donald and Mary are buried in Denver.
He did get the DNA kit and will be getting that done and off this next week.
More to hunt!
Going to watch Braveheart tonight.
Ginger
Grandma thinks Donald and Mary are buried in Denver.
He did get the DNA kit and will be getting that done and off this next week.
More to hunt!
Going to watch Braveheart tonight.
Ginger
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Canadian Livingstone
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Re: My Livingston(e) Line
Hi Ginger,
Brave heart. Sounds like youve really gone Scottish with all this Livingston talk. Glad to hear that your family is participating in the Maclea Livingstone DNA project. What I think is all the more exciting about it all is that there another Livingston who has already been tested whose ancestors also lived in the Laroch, Ballachulish area and at least judging from the Episcopal Church records at Ballachulish it appears that his ancestor James born abt. 1805 and your Donald b.1802 are quite possibly related. Not 100% certain but I think it could be the case. The DNA test will of course be very helpful in establishing whether these two Livingstons families that both lived at West Laroch, Ballachulish and attended the same church there are infact of the same family. I am pretty sure the test will be able to prove or disprove that. Of course not all Livingstons that lived at Ballachulish may be from the same Livingston family at least i dont know that for certain. Hopefully the test results will give us some clues regarding your Livingston family origins.
regards,
Donald
Brave heart. Sounds like youve really gone Scottish with all this Livingston talk. Glad to hear that your family is participating in the Maclea Livingstone DNA project. What I think is all the more exciting about it all is that there another Livingston who has already been tested whose ancestors also lived in the Laroch, Ballachulish area and at least judging from the Episcopal Church records at Ballachulish it appears that his ancestor James born abt. 1805 and your Donald b.1802 are quite possibly related. Not 100% certain but I think it could be the case. The DNA test will of course be very helpful in establishing whether these two Livingstons families that both lived at West Laroch, Ballachulish and attended the same church there are infact of the same family. I am pretty sure the test will be able to prove or disprove that. Of course not all Livingstons that lived at Ballachulish may be from the same Livingston family at least i dont know that for certain. Hopefully the test results will give us some clues regarding your Livingston family origins.
regards,
Donald
Re: My Livingston(e) Line
Yes, It is so exciting!
I love Braveheart, except I never watch the end anymore.....
I am anxious to see what the the DNA test reveals. I am kind of surprised (and grateful) that Grandpa agreed and is really getting into this. He's kind of a private guy.
Every year I go meet my daughter in France (where she lives) and then go to Ireland. This time we will definitely go to Scotland! I am asking my husband for some Livingston wear for Christmas.
It is kind of strange and cool that Donald Livingstone is researching and helping me with my Donald Livingstone. It seems right.
Thanks again!
Ginger
I love Braveheart, except I never watch the end anymore.....
I am anxious to see what the the DNA test reveals. I am kind of surprised (and grateful) that Grandpa agreed and is really getting into this. He's kind of a private guy.
Every year I go meet my daughter in France (where she lives) and then go to Ireland. This time we will definitely go to Scotland! I am asking my husband for some Livingston wear for Christmas.
It is kind of strange and cool that Donald Livingstone is researching and helping me with my Donald Livingstone. It seems right.
Thanks again!
Ginger
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Canadian Livingstone
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Re: My Livingston(e) Line
Hi Ginger,
My great-great grandfather was Nancy Livingston (Mrs. John Clink) daughter or a Morvern Livingston highlander was proud to be a Morvern Livingston and she wanted to pass on the family name to her sons so the name carried on to the next generations and is still used as a middle name by some branches of our family. Unfortunately my grandfather's generation dropped it as a middle name and but am in the process of getting it back so to speak. A good family tradition should not be discarded I think. My Livingston cousins dont use the e but like Dr. Livingstone and Baron Livingstone I prefer it. As a boy my father would hear stories of his great-grandmother Livingston and how special this family was.
Most of my ancestors in Canada were of Scottish origin as in the 1800's Scots made up a large proportion of the new settlers who made their home here along with English and Irish immigrants. The hardy Scots seem to thrive well and enjoy the rugged Canadian wilderness with its seemingly endless forests and lakes and rivers and they along with the french dominated the fur trading business. They seem to get on quite well with the native Indian population as traders and became well acquainted from them in the use of the canoe to traverse our lakes and rivers. Many of our early explorers of vast and beautiful Canadian landscape were Scots as well. Our first Canadian Prime Minister Sir John A. MacDonald was a scot as were many of the early politicians in the Country.
I am glad that we were able to find your ancestors in the records. I am glad that are numbers are up at the new forum and that interest in the Maclea Livingston forum seems to be increasing. Baron Livingstone has been kind enough over the years to establish a Clan forum and for my part I have tried to make it interesting and informative experience for those who visit the forum. We have a great team of regular participants who are contributing. I would like to see more people visiting the site but I think with the new forum and the improvements that will happen in time. There are alot of Macleas and Livingstons some of whom are interested in their Scottish roots and family history out there so there is hope for the future. We are also in the stages of of building the Clan Society so that is exciting news.
regards,
Donald
My great-great grandfather was Nancy Livingston (Mrs. John Clink) daughter or a Morvern Livingston highlander was proud to be a Morvern Livingston and she wanted to pass on the family name to her sons so the name carried on to the next generations and is still used as a middle name by some branches of our family. Unfortunately my grandfather's generation dropped it as a middle name and but am in the process of getting it back so to speak. A good family tradition should not be discarded I think. My Livingston cousins dont use the e but like Dr. Livingstone and Baron Livingstone I prefer it. As a boy my father would hear stories of his great-grandmother Livingston and how special this family was.
Most of my ancestors in Canada were of Scottish origin as in the 1800's Scots made up a large proportion of the new settlers who made their home here along with English and Irish immigrants. The hardy Scots seem to thrive well and enjoy the rugged Canadian wilderness with its seemingly endless forests and lakes and rivers and they along with the french dominated the fur trading business. They seem to get on quite well with the native Indian population as traders and became well acquainted from them in the use of the canoe to traverse our lakes and rivers. Many of our early explorers of vast and beautiful Canadian landscape were Scots as well. Our first Canadian Prime Minister Sir John A. MacDonald was a scot as were many of the early politicians in the Country.
I am glad that we were able to find your ancestors in the records. I am glad that are numbers are up at the new forum and that interest in the Maclea Livingston forum seems to be increasing. Baron Livingstone has been kind enough over the years to establish a Clan forum and for my part I have tried to make it interesting and informative experience for those who visit the forum. We have a great team of regular participants who are contributing. I would like to see more people visiting the site but I think with the new forum and the improvements that will happen in time. There are alot of Macleas and Livingstons some of whom are interested in their Scottish roots and family history out there so there is hope for the future. We are also in the stages of of building the Clan Society so that is exciting news.
regards,
Donald
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Margaret Stewart
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Re: My Livingston(e) Line
Hi Donald and Ginger
I have just come across some notes I made a few years ago of Livingstons buried in St John's Churchyard, Ballachulish, and thought you may be interested although I don't think they are part of the family you are looking for. I will probably have photos somewhere of these graves if anyone is interested.
St John’s Episcopal Churchyard, Ballachulish, Glencoe
In loving memory of John Livingstone, died at Glencoe, 25th January 1924 aged 83, his wife Mary McColl, died 20th April 1928 aged 85 years.
Their two daughters, Mary Livingstone McLaughlin died 10 June 1898 aged 4 years, their daughter Sarah died 18 November 1953 aged 73 years.
Their son Alexander died 15 January 1966 aged 74 years.
Their son John died 29 April 1955 aged 88 (or 82?)
In loving memory of Allan Livingstone who died at Laroch, Glencoe, 15 June 1942 aged 73 years also his wife Mary Ann King who died 23 January 1970 aged 93 years.
Erected by Allan McKenzie and his wife Janet Livingston in loving memory of their son Alexander who died 7 December 1890 aged 10 years 8 months, also their son, Dugald died 2 May 1922 aged 46 years.
Said Janet Livingston died 2 November 1926 aged 91 ½ years.
Said Allan McKenzie died 28 January 1933 aged 92 ½ years.
** (one of my ancestors below. Donald, his father and mother, Duncan and Mary, were all born in Kilbrandon. The family appeared to move to Ballachulish around 1870.)
Erected by Donald Livingston in loving memory of his Father and Mother, Duncan Livingston died 4 December 1919 aged 74, Mary Livingston died 14 September 1926 aged 84.
The above Donald Livingston died 8 August 1956 aged 66, his sister Janet Livingston died 9 September 1947 aged 76.
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Erected by Dugald Livingston and his wife Ann McEachern in memory of their three daughters who died at Ballachulish in their infancy.
Also their son John who died 25 October 1896 aged 31, the said Ann McEachern who died 1 February 1914 aged 78 and the said Dugald died 24 September 1926 aged 88. His son Donald died 19 August 1920 at Victoria BC aged 52.
Sacred to the memory of Alexander Livingston died 16 January 1849 aged 4 years.
Christina Livingston died 8 July 1850 aged 13 years
Angus Livingston died 6 August 1871 aged 37 years
Erected by Donald Livingston in memory of his wife Margaret McIntosh who died 7 January 1885 aged 48 years, also his daughter Christina who died 10 August 1879 aged 2 years and Annie who died 28 February 1875 aged 3 years.
Said Donald Livingston died 13 August 1913? aged 85 years, also his son Angus died 10 June 1925 aged 47.
Sacred to the memory of Dugald Livingstone died 15 September 1902 aged 62 years and his wife Margaret McKenzie died April 16 1897 aged 54 years and their daughter Lilly died 18 February 1884 aged 10 months. Erected by their son Angus.
Kind regards
Margaret
I have just come across some notes I made a few years ago of Livingstons buried in St John's Churchyard, Ballachulish, and thought you may be interested although I don't think they are part of the family you are looking for. I will probably have photos somewhere of these graves if anyone is interested.
St John’s Episcopal Churchyard, Ballachulish, Glencoe
In loving memory of John Livingstone, died at Glencoe, 25th January 1924 aged 83, his wife Mary McColl, died 20th April 1928 aged 85 years.
Their two daughters, Mary Livingstone McLaughlin died 10 June 1898 aged 4 years, their daughter Sarah died 18 November 1953 aged 73 years.
Their son Alexander died 15 January 1966 aged 74 years.
Their son John died 29 April 1955 aged 88 (or 82?)
In loving memory of Allan Livingstone who died at Laroch, Glencoe, 15 June 1942 aged 73 years also his wife Mary Ann King who died 23 January 1970 aged 93 years.
Erected by Allan McKenzie and his wife Janet Livingston in loving memory of their son Alexander who died 7 December 1890 aged 10 years 8 months, also their son, Dugald died 2 May 1922 aged 46 years.
Said Janet Livingston died 2 November 1926 aged 91 ½ years.
Said Allan McKenzie died 28 January 1933 aged 92 ½ years.
** (one of my ancestors below. Donald, his father and mother, Duncan and Mary, were all born in Kilbrandon. The family appeared to move to Ballachulish around 1870.)
Erected by Donald Livingston in loving memory of his Father and Mother, Duncan Livingston died 4 December 1919 aged 74, Mary Livingston died 14 September 1926 aged 84.
The above Donald Livingston died 8 August 1956 aged 66, his sister Janet Livingston died 9 September 1947 aged 76.
**
Erected by Dugald Livingston and his wife Ann McEachern in memory of their three daughters who died at Ballachulish in their infancy.
Also their son John who died 25 October 1896 aged 31, the said Ann McEachern who died 1 February 1914 aged 78 and the said Dugald died 24 September 1926 aged 88. His son Donald died 19 August 1920 at Victoria BC aged 52.
Sacred to the memory of Alexander Livingston died 16 January 1849 aged 4 years.
Christina Livingston died 8 July 1850 aged 13 years
Angus Livingston died 6 August 1871 aged 37 years
Erected by Donald Livingston in memory of his wife Margaret McIntosh who died 7 January 1885 aged 48 years, also his daughter Christina who died 10 August 1879 aged 2 years and Annie who died 28 February 1875 aged 3 years.
Said Donald Livingston died 13 August 1913? aged 85 years, also his son Angus died 10 June 1925 aged 47.
Sacred to the memory of Dugald Livingstone died 15 September 1902 aged 62 years and his wife Margaret McKenzie died April 16 1897 aged 54 years and their daughter Lilly died 18 February 1884 aged 10 months. Erected by their son Angus.
Kind regards
Margaret
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Re: My Livingston(e) Line
Hi Margaret,
Thanks for that. I am sure that other Ballachulish related Livingstons may drop by sometime with a connection with those families. You just never know as their descendants may be spread across the Globe in Canada, the United States, Australia and New Zealand and in Scotland itself.
Ballachulish looks like a lovely place to visit.
Its wonderful that these gravestones and the records of the St. John's Church have been preserved for future generations to appreciate. I have found the information on the West Laroch, Ballachulish Livingstones from the Church to be most helpful in reconstructing Ginger's family and possible family connections to other Livingstons that attended that Church and lived at West Laroch, Southern Ballachulish. Everytime I help a Livingston find their family in Scotland I feel like I am running a kind of Livingston lost and found.
One benefit of helping people find their lost Livingston ancestors is that I am getting familar with the some of the towns, villages and parishes throughout Argyll where they many of our highland Livingstones originally lived in the 1700's and 1800's. So it is a bit of a Scottish geography lesson not to mention a major family history lesson for me everytime i start a quest to find someones lost ancestors. I also have to brush up on my gaelic.
regards,
Donald
Thanks for that. I am sure that other Ballachulish related Livingstons may drop by sometime with a connection with those families. You just never know as their descendants may be spread across the Globe in Canada, the United States, Australia and New Zealand and in Scotland itself.
Ballachulish looks like a lovely place to visit.
Its wonderful that these gravestones and the records of the St. John's Church have been preserved for future generations to appreciate. I have found the information on the West Laroch, Ballachulish Livingstones from the Church to be most helpful in reconstructing Ginger's family and possible family connections to other Livingstons that attended that Church and lived at West Laroch, Southern Ballachulish. Everytime I help a Livingston find their family in Scotland I feel like I am running a kind of Livingston lost and found.
One benefit of helping people find their lost Livingston ancestors is that I am getting familar with the some of the towns, villages and parishes throughout Argyll where they many of our highland Livingstones originally lived in the 1700's and 1800's. So it is a bit of a Scottish geography lesson not to mention a major family history lesson for me everytime i start a quest to find someones lost ancestors. I also have to brush up on my gaelic.
regards,
Donald
Re: My Livingston(e) Line
" My Livingston cousins dont use the e but like Dr. Livingstone and Baron Livingstone I prefer it."
MY aunt was so unhappy that the "e" got dropped that she signed all of her checks Catherine Livingstone Downes. I remember getting them for my birthday and thinking how odd it was. My grandpa mentioned this last Saturday.
I too am getting a lesson in Scottish geography. I looked up were Ballachulish was compared to Kennacraig and it was quite a ways. I wonder what made them move?
Then the other day I looked up where Angus is compared to Ballachulish. Across the country.
The pictures of Ballachulish (which I can now spell with ease) are lovely and I think it would make a great trip.
Now. a group that I was heavily involved with as a teenager is regrouping on facebook. After find some of the old paperwork I realized there is another Livingston in THAT group. If I find her I will send her this way as well! I intend to be a recruiter. Can I make some cards with the URL on them? Do I need permission to do that and give them to Livingston(e)s McLea's etc that I meet? Are there already some available I can download and print?
Ginger
MY aunt was so unhappy that the "e" got dropped that she signed all of her checks Catherine Livingstone Downes. I remember getting them for my birthday and thinking how odd it was. My grandpa mentioned this last Saturday.
I too am getting a lesson in Scottish geography. I looked up were Ballachulish was compared to Kennacraig and it was quite a ways. I wonder what made them move?
Then the other day I looked up where Angus is compared to Ballachulish. Across the country.
The pictures of Ballachulish (which I can now spell with ease) are lovely and I think it would make a great trip.
Now. a group that I was heavily involved with as a teenager is regrouping on facebook. After find some of the old paperwork I realized there is another Livingston in THAT group. If I find her I will send her this way as well! I intend to be a recruiter. Can I make some cards with the URL on them? Do I need permission to do that and give them to Livingston(e)s McLea's etc that I meet? Are there already some available I can download and print?
Ginger