Randomly Acquired Information

[jmlivingstone]

Hi Donald,

http://www.scotsfamily.com assure me the 1802 birth is definitely correct, I have my doubts, given the age of Angus, the birth date does not really tie in with him being a Chelsea Pensioner, even allowing for him being able to enlist at 12 years old, or somewhere around that age.

The family in Jura in 1841, I am also not 100% sure about, they seem like the correct ones, the problem is, I cannot find James anywhere before or after the 1841 Jura census, there is one child born in Mull name unknown, who could I suppose be James.

Most of the family names did not change over the years,until the 1970's, I'm about the fourth or fifth John & my first son was called Neil.

Another thing that makes me wonder about the family in Jura, if you get the original census form, it states Margaret was born in ''foreign parts'', possibly her family were from Mull, but serving in the army when she was born. The Mull site has her as born on Mull, around Kilpatrick / Shiaba area, as you say.

Margaret appears to have had a variety of names on different forms, varying from McPhail, to Hale & Hall, I suppose these variatons could be due to different local dialects picking up the name wrongly.

A good example of this type of mispronounciation, in the area of the West of Scotland where I come from, Livingstone is often pronounced more like Liviston, I have even seen this on official documents as the spelling of the name.

I think my next place to look, as you suggested, is emigration, Australia / New Zealand will be my first target.

Just to confuse things even further, I have just found a g/g/g/grandfather on my mothers side from Ireland, called Livingstone Martin,

John

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,

Sorry what I meant was that according to the baptism records Angus Livingston and Mary Hall had a child baptised or born in 1802 according to the records there according to your earlier researcher. At Glasgow Angus was a spinner. As they had a subsequent child born in 1805 in Mull it could be that he worked briefly as a spinner in the mills of Glasgow and decided to return to Mull. He could still have been a veteran and pensioner of the Napoleonic Wars. If this is infact your Angus Livingston and Mary Hall is actually his wife Margaret Hall then he would be the Angus Livingston that we know from 1841 Scottish Census living at the Island of Jura and born abt. 1781 from that census. He would be about twenty so it is not impossible that Angus married shortly before the age of twenty. Of course the Angus Livingston that lived at Glasgow with his wife Mary Hall may not be your ancestor. We do know however that a number of highland livingston from Mull and the neighbouring Isle of Ulva went to the Glasgow and nearby vicinity to work in the Mills in the late 1700`s and early 1800`s so can not be ruled out.

In any event there a number of baptismal records a few years later commencing in 1805 coming out of South Western Mull that clearly are from a Angus Livingston army pensioner and his wife Margaret Hall. So while there is a bit of a question mark regarding the 1802 Glasgow info the Mull info clearly reinforces as does the DNA results that your ANgus Livingston and likely his forefathers originated from the a group of Western Argyll highland Macleas later known as Livingstons that probably lived in the Mull area possibly the South Western Mull area where Shiaba was located. As it was my intention to get a sense of whether your Livingston family originated in the Mull area as I suspected from the DNA test I found it interesting that the baptismal records for most of the children of your Angus Livingston and Margaret Hall of Jura infact originate from Mull so it would seem my theory was correct. Certainly we have to take into account that highland Livingston moved about Western Argyll to different villages and parishes but it would be certainly reasonable to conclude that your ancestor ANgus Livingston may have roots in Mull.

regards,

Donald

[jmlivingstone]

Donald,

I've got no doubts that I have the correct Angus, who originated on Mull, I've got a paper trail that appears to indicate this is correct. Margaret also appears on a Mull OPR, I'm not too sure she was born on the island, possibly her family did originate on Mull, but she was born elsewhere, I've found her listed as ''born foreign places''. Possibly her father was also in the military. it's hard to say, just have to keep looking.
My only doubts are some of the places in between, like Jura, which seems to be the correct family, other than like James not seeming to appear anywhere else.

Where it gets frustrating, is after 1841, I kind of suspect Angus may have ended up on Islay at some point, only reason for this thought, other family members ended up there, before heading for Greenock & Glasgow.
Others appear to have emigrated, I have a vague memory of at least one, possibly two relations, who lived in Canada, & worked for an airline, presumably Air Canada, visiting Greenock, probably in the late 1950's.

i'll be back in Greenock first week in September for a couple of weeks, I'll try to contact family members who are/were regular visitors to Islay over the years, see if they can supply any further info,

John

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Jim,

Wish we could find more on your ancestors but I am glad that we have some pretty good evidence to support the notion that your family roots are with highland Maclea Livingstons that lived in Southern Mull in the early 1800's and almost certainly prior to that. Not surprising your test results find you lumped with other Livingstons of Mull, Morvern and other adjacent areas in Western Argyll including Livingston kin of my own which I believe makes some sense.

regards,

Donald

[Roberta Ann]

Hi Donald;

I found this info.

"The Wheeler and Livingstone Families of PEI" by Kathleen Allen Parkman Lamb 2003 Aprox. 152 pgs. Donated by the author to PEIGS.

Roberta

[Kyle MacLea]

Very interesting, Roberta! If we could acquire that book, or copies of relevant pages, we could put it together as a resource and see what light it sheds on the families there! (For instance, we could scan it as a PDF.)

Kyle=

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Roberta,

It would be interesting to know which PEI Livingstone the author researched. Perhaps we can find out.

regards,

Donald

[Kyle MacLea]

Anyone a member of PEIGS who could go and look--or will they make copies of any material for members?

Kyle=

[Jewel]

Hello

"The Wheeler and Livingstone Families of PEI", author, Kathleen Lamb is a member of the forum,I believe.

Jewel

[Roberta Ann]

Hi Jewel;

Yes she is and I allready PM'd her. Waiting for an answer!

Regards;

Roberta