Hi Donald - wanted to provide an update on some research I've been doing. There's a lot to share so I'll break it up into sections.
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Quoting you from a post back on Jul 15 2011(
viewtopic.php?p=10664#p10664):
I could been wrong, but I really think your Archibald Livingston from Quebec is connected to this Argenteuil County, Quebec family that lived in Grenville along the Ottawa River. If i could prove that your ancestor Thomas Doig father in law of your ancestor Archibald Livingston b.1836was connected to this other Scottish Doig family that lived in Lachute/St.Jerusalem parish area along a tributary of the Ottawa River where 99 percent of them seem to be in Canada circa 1800's my life would be so much easier
In attempting to connect Thomas Doig to the Grenville area in Quebec I was pouring over the Doig family tree (
http://www.doig.net/DOIGK.htm). Turns out Thomas Doig's uncle Paul (b1726, brother of Thomas' father Andrew), wife, and children lived in Lachute. There may be other relations in the area, but I haven't pursued that as yet. I include my detailed findings below for reference:
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158 M Paul Doig
Christened on 14 Jul 1726 in Kincardine, Perth, Scotland
Married Elizabeth McAllister daughter of Robert McAllister on 6 Jan 1750 in Dryman, Stirling, Scotland
Farmed in Frew and Easter Frew, Kilmadock, Perthshire from at least 1750
Death unknown
Paul and Elizabeth had 10 children. I'll focus on their 4th and 8th children, Paul and Andrew:
227 M Paul Doig
Born on 11 Jun 1758
Married Elizabeth Doig daughter of Andrew Doig and Janet Doig on 8 Dec 1781 in Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland
Paul and Elizabeth had 10 children, 7th child is:
354 M Robert Doig
Born on 7 Mar 1797
Married Isabella Doig daughter of John Doig and Janet Buchanan
* Isabella died on 3 Sep 1873 in Lachute, Argenteuil, Quebec, Canada
* An Isabel Doig died 3 Dec 1873 in Lachute, but she does not appear in the household in 1851 census
Died on 6 Sep 1858 (no location specified)
Robert and Isabella had the following children:
578 M John Doig
Born in 1825/1826 in Canada
Died on 18 Jul 1854 in Lachute, Argenteuil, Quebec, Canada
Buried on 20 Jul 1854 in Lachute, Argenteuil, Quebec, Canada.
579 F Elizabeth Doig
Born on 21 Sep 1835
Died on 9 Aug 1915
580 F Mary Doig
Born in 1836/1838
Died on 3 Oct 1875
581 M Robert Doig
Born on 20 Sep 1840
Died on 30 Aug 1902
231 M Andrew Doig
Born 1767 in Easter Frew, Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland
Married Susannah Elder daughter of Elder on 15 Sep 1793 in Kippen, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Died after 1841 in Of Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Andrew and Susannah had 8 children, 2nd child is:
364 M Thomas Doig
Born in 1796 in Nether Broich, Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland
Christened on 10 Jul 1796 in Kippen, Stirling, Scotland
Died 23 Jul 1863 Simcoe County, Ontario
The question for me now is: Was this Doig family known to the Livingstones in Grenville? Perhaps they attended the same church for baptisms, etc? I'm going to pursue that further.
I also need to mention that I was able to find at least one Doig family in Wyoming, Ontario. Not sure if this help any or not - I'll need to think on this more but wanted to mention a possible connection to Wyoming, Ontario rather than Wyoming, USA.
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If you recall this Grenville Livingstone family is mentioned in a book by Cyrus Thomas. I include an excerpt below for reference:
History of the Counties of Argenteuil, Que., and Prescott, Ont.
By Cyrus Thomas, 1896
Page 395:
Farther back, towards Harrington, near the roadside, is a very pretty little body of water known as Cook's Lake, Mr. Hugh Cook's fine new house fronting it.
Such lakes or ponds are quite numerous in this part of Grenville - three or four lying near the road. In this section are the homesteads of other pioneers, Livingstone, McVicar and McLean.
Archibald Livingstone, from the Isle of Mull, Argyleshire, Scotland, was a member of the Royal Staff Corps. After his discharge he took up 300 acres of land, which is now owned and occupied by Archibald Steele. He lived and died at this place, his last days being spent with his son Alexander; he had three sons and two daughters.
Alexander, his second son, married Catherine McDonald, and took up 356 acres near the homestead, which is now the home of his own son, John Livingstone. He cleared about 15 acres of this, and died 23rd February, 1890; Mrs. Livingstone died 4th May, 1884. They had twelve children ; eleven - three sons and eight daughters, grew up; one of the former and four of the latter are married.
Archibald, the eldest son, married, lives in Wyoming;
Catherine, one daughter, married to Charles Webster, lives in Ottawa;
Jane, married to William S. Hall, lives in Cumberland, Ont.;
Flora, married to Frederick Rodgers, lives in Montreal;
Isabella, the youngest, whose husband, Archibald Cameron, died recently, now lives on the homestead with her brother. Annie lives in New York;
Maggie in Hawkesbury, Ont.;
and Mary with her brother on the homestead, all forming a respected Christian family.
In our discussions we questioned how accurate Cyrus was in recalling and/or organizing the facts that he published, it not being uncommon for an author to make mistakes, etc. Having listed Archibald as living in Wyoming I felt it important to see how accurate Cyrus was with the rest of the children - he gives rather specific information about spouses, locations, deaths, etc. The accuracy of that information would perhaps strengthen or weaken the case for this Archibald being my ancestor.
To that end I've spent many hours researching all members of this Grenville Livingstone family, and am satisfied that the information presented in Cryus' book is indeed extremely accurate. I was still unable to find anything new about Archibald and again failed to find any connection whatsoever to the Wyoming USA statement in the book. One mistake I found in the book was the date Alexander died. Having seen the hand written burial record, I can see he died 22 Feb 1884, buy Cyrus listed it as Feb 1890. But if you look at the year Cyrus has for Catherine's death it is 1884, so I believe he mixed up the years for their deaths. I've not yet found a record for Catherine's death. If he made a mistake there, could it perhaps be another of the Livingstone children that went to Wyoming - yet another small (but important) mistake? Archibald had 2 younger brothers: John remained on the homestead unmarried and I can see him on census records all the way through to 1921, but I've not yet researched the other brother Donald (b1842).
Whatever the outcome, I have a lot on this family and would like to share the details for others researching Livingstone roots in Quebec. What is the best way to go about that? Should I start a new thread for Alexander Livingstone and dump what I know in there? Aside from our conversations I'm not sure how that is generally done here in the forum.
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Regarding the Scotch Road Cemetery:
I was able to find 2 of the Livingstone children buried there (Catherine b1839, d1906) and Mary (b1841, d1906). Catherine married Charles Webster (as Cyrus indicated and shown on the headstone inscription), and her son Daniel is buried with her. There is another Livingstone grave marker beside the stone for Catherine and Mary, but the first name is unfortunately no longer legible.
I've been in contact with the Scotch Road Cemetery folks and they have been extremely helpful, offering up information and even inviting me to the area for an informal walk-around. They are related to the other pioneer families in the Grenville area, with one owning land near the original Livingstone homestead (which is also next to the Scotch Road Cemetery). Two of them are Camerons, and interestingly enough there is a Cameron connection in the Livingstone tree - Alexander's youngest daughter Isabella (Bella) married Archibald Cameron...
Rev. William Mair performed many if not all the baptisms for the Livingstone children, and he was involved in building St. Mungo's church (built 1836) which still stands. There is a lot of rich history in the Grenville area and it would be good to see how it relates to the Livingstone settlers...
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You mentioned an Angus Livingston. If not related he and Alexander were certainly close as I've seen Angus listed on at least 2 documents related to Alexander:
- 9 Apr 1833 - He was witness (with Reuben Cook) to the marriage of Alexander Livingstone and Catherine McDonald
13 Aug 1831 - He was witness (with Hugh McVicar) for Alexander on a land ticket swearing that he had examined the north half lot 9 in 7th range and saw 4 acres under cultivation and a dwelling house erected
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I'd like to find out more regarding the DNA test. From Cyrus' book and other sources we know Archibald Livingstone (Alexander's father) was from the Isle of Mull. Could this test assist in proving/disproving my connection to the Isle of Mull? If it would and the test shows I have no connection, then this Archibald from the Grenville Livingstone family is certainly not my ancestor. If the test shows I have a connection to the Isle of Mull, then we may be on the right track.
From what I understand it would be better to have the oldest surviving male Livingstone relative tested. I spoke to my father and he's willing to provide a DNA sample for testing. Where do I go from here?