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Re: Angus Livingstone& Margaret (Hall/McPhail), Shiaba, Mul

Postby jmlivingstone » Sat May 21, 2016 5:46 pm

Hi Donald,

The only one of the three couples I ever really looked at in the past was James & Mary, James birth more or less ties in with the OPR which has no christian name registered, although it does state it was a female child. There is no record of a James being born to Angus & Margaret, around 1816, although it's a name that appears quite frequently over the years in the family.

I've spent about 8 hours today checking all the Colonsay records I could find, unfortunately, I am no wiser now than when I started.

As I said previously, James & Christina could be possibly cousins or something, but I cannot figure out what at present, Catherine I have no idea about at present, hopefully, by the end of today I will have an answer,

John
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Re: Angus Livingstone& Margaret (Hall/McPhail), Shiaba, Mul

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Sun May 22, 2016 4:30 pm

Hi John,

Yes I am finding James Livingston a bit of a mystery as well. His origins do remain a mystery. Unfortunately the 1841 Census does not give us a clue as to his origins. All that I know for certain it that after their marriage and the birth of their first child around 1842 they left for Canada. James and his McMillan wife, their eldest born in Scotland and the other children born in Canada all appear later census information in Ontario Canada. It was great to find a descendant and learn some details about the family later in Canada.

Even more of a mystery is why a descendant of this James Livingston is the closest Livingston match in the Livingston project at 67-2 to my third cousin a Livingston descendant of my great-great-great grandfather Miles Livingston b. 1775 of Lismore and Morvern Parish, Argyll. According the results James Livingston and my ancestor Miles Livingston shared a common ancestor probably in Western Argyllshire. 67 markers with a distance of only 2 markers is fairly close I imagine. I anticipated my Livingstons would be so some relation with Livingston families who lived at Mull and neighbouring Colonsay and that has proven to be the case as my study of Nova Scotia Livingstons most of whom originated from Mull, Scotland but this result turned out to be much closer than had anticipated. I don''t think this means I am closely related to your ancestor Old Angus but I think does support your notion that James was not the son of Angus but the son of a fellow Livingston clansman or some other unknown connection to old Angus. The DNA results are puzzling to me and somewhat unexpected, but James apparently related in some way to my great-great-great grandfather Miles Livingston who was married in Kilarrow Parish (Bowmore) in Islay, Argyll in June of 1812 and a few days later took a Schooner "The Staffa" to the port of Sligo, Ireland where he, his wife Janet "Jessie" Livingston, his teenage son from his first marriage Donald Livingston (1796-1862) and a cousin and great-great-great Uncle of Society member Jerry Schmidt, Donald Livinsgton (1791-1876) also a native of Morvern, Argyll boarded a Hudson's Bay company vessel for British North America. Eventually they and other settlers including a large group of Mull settlers would make a long trek southward from a Hudson's Bay outpost by small boat to the forks of the Red River where Lord Selkirk's settlement was being established. This is the same Red River settlement where years later the wife of that Samuel Livingston (no relation to Miles or me) would be born. There were many native Indians and Metis in the area of the Red River Colony of Lord Selkirk and I think Samuel's wife was of Metis origin. Samuel as that article mentioned was born in Ireland. There were as I have discovered over the years lowland scottish Livingstons residing mainly in the six counties of Ulster dating back to the Plantation period when some Presbyterian families from Lowland Scotland settled in large numbers in the early 1600's in the North of Ireland. One of the interesting thing about the DNA project is that there are number of Livingstons who are linked to Livingston families that lived in one of the counties in the north of Ireland (Ulster).

Most recently I have discovered evidence that some of these lowland Livingstons perhaps already living in Ulster, a few families perhaps lured by employment in the lucrative whiskey business in nearby Kildalton Parish, Southern Islay, Argyll or as fisherman with other families ended up in Kildalton Parish in Southern Islay perhaps sometime in the 1600's. One or two of these early Livingston families are recorded in the Kildalton Parish in baptismal records from 1729/1730 period livingston living in two towns in particular close to the southern end of Kildalton Parish in Southern Islay, Argyll. These Livingston I believe where in Southern Islay originating from neighbouring Ulster probably before 1700 and by 1700 they were small in number in Argyllshire but had according to a 1716 Census that included Mull a few of them had migrated north into Northern Argyl, living interestingly in close proximity with Macleas and Maconleas whose Clan later adopted the name Livingston. While the settling of Ulster Livingstons before 1700 has never been documented and was not mentioned in a 18th century Maclea History it may be a piece in the puzzle that has not been until now not known. It does seem to be a fact that a number of Southern Islay families seem to have roots in lowland scotland and with nearby Ulster. I don't at the moment know the precise distance from Lagavolan and Kintour Islay where a few Livingtons lived in the 1720s' and probably before that and the coast of Ulster but it seems to be very short distance by boat. Indeed the vikings when raiding the North of Ireland in search of plunder were said to utilize southern Islay because it was close by. The Bell family are one family who are also common both to lowland Scotland, Ulster in Northern Ireland and neighbouring Islay. The Livingstons, the Bells and probably a number of other families that lived on the Isle of Islay probably have a similar history. Some of them were as lowland Scottish or Ulster families brought over by Campbells in the 1600's to settle in Islay.

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Re: Angus Livingstone& Margaret (Hall/McPhail), Shiaba, Mul

Postby jmlivingstone » Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:44 am

Hi Donald,

I was looking again at possibilities for James, although I didn't find him, I did note largish gaps between births, so quite possibly there were more children than those we already know about,
approx gaps are as follows;

1802--1805.

1809-1814.

1819-1829.

Given these dates, it is possible Angus re-enlisted for further military service, I think the Napoleonic Wars ended around 1814-15, anyway, it's another theory to keep me busy,

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Re: Angus Livingstone& Margaret (Hall/McPhail), Shiaba, Mul

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:03 pm

Hi John,
We have an interesting situation here that three Livingstons, you, Keith and the descendant of James Livingston of Colonsay all of whom have some connecting information to Old Angus of Ross of Mull and later Colonsay. I have seen your detailed family history info over the years and in fact every piece of information, generation by generation in your Livingston ancestral line can be documented through ancestry.uk and scotlands people and definitely indicates you descend from old Angus Livingston. I am pretty certain of your connection to Old Angus.
The descendant of James Livingston of Colonsay has information that James did come from Colonsay with his wife Mary McMillan in 1843 after their first child Ann was born in Colonsay . No family information or documentation of a connection to Angus just some old family information that James had a brother named Hugh. The Parish records confirm that birth and there is also their marriage in 1842. They definitely knew they were from Colonsay. Lot of Mcmillans at Colonsay at that time I also know. The family has no information of the Livingston family before James or his immediate Livingston family when he was living there from old relatives except one interesting detail and that is that he had a brother named Hugh. No memory of an Angus but there was mention of a Hugh back in Scotland. Also Mary's obituary mentioned she had a brother Malcolm McMillan who lived in Ontario Canada, but I have not found a Malcolm MacMillian in the Canadian records that matches him. What I could not help but find intriguing about this was that if you look at the 1841 Census record you see with old Angus at Uragaig farm his son Hugh and oddly enough a Malcolm McMillan living with him a woman named Christine livingston who according to the 1840 Census married Malcolm McMillan and a McMillan son. And of course a James Livingston who was born abt. 1815. James Livingston's obituary in Canada according to the family here indicates he died in 1897 I think and that his approximate birth date was also about 1815 although it varies a bit from Canadian census to Canadian census as the age recorded varys a bit as recorded by different census takers over the years. The 1841 Scottish Census info and the parish records pertaining to Colonsay from this period certainly seem to suggest this James Livingston and Mary McMillan that left Colonsay in 1843 is the one mentioned in the Parish record and also that this James Livingston is the young single man James Livingston residing at Angus Livingston's farm. But I am still wracking my brain on this one or should I say wrecking my brain on this Livingston family mystery. This James that settled in Canada seems to be on the face of it the one that is living with Old Angus in Colonsay in 1841 and for that matter with Hugh and some of the other family members of Angus.

I don't much to go on in terms of a detailed ancestral line for Keith as I have not been in touch with him in recent years. I remember that he said he was also connected to old Angus through a descendant of old Angus, a Gavin Livingston or something like that. I think you mentioned a Gavin Livingston also in your family group. Do you have a sense of how Keith is related to old Angus?

In any event were all definitely related including myself to a common Maconlea ancestor some undetermined centuries ago in Western Argyll. Our families just branched out from this guy some time ago and most of us left Scotland years later. Your family is one of the few that did not. The Livingtons I am related to are a branch and your part of another branch of this unknown Maconlea/McDunlea Western Argyll ancestor from way back when. The bunch of us in Parker Livingston seem to be branches of this old Maconlea/McDunlea the way I visualize it.

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Re: Angus Livingstone& Margaret (Hall/McPhail), Shiaba, Mul

Postby jmlivingstone » Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:00 pm

Hi Donald,

As well as what you listed I also have the list below which was done by Dr. Brian Thomson at http://www.Scotsfamily.com, when I started on this research, I felt things were coming together too easily, so I forwarded very basic information to Scots Family, the only difference in what they found, & what I had researched myself, was that they found Angus & Margs. first child born 1804 ?, which I had not found.

The Gavin that Keith talked about, is the same Gavin as listed below, this makes Gavin my great grand uncle, & probably Keiths great great grandfather, I think.

It's probably worth noting, Keith & myself used different professional genealogists, both came up with identical information, dna testing shows a difference of 5/67 between us, if I remember correctly, I'll leave the explanation for that to Kyle or Andrew.

I've also included the bit from Andrew regarding possible relationships between 4 or 5 Livingstone families, I never heard if this has been pursued, note that the bio I have was later proven to be partially inaccurate, the Wiki version is the correct one,

John


1. John Livingstone
b/c 7 Feb 1805, Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon, Argyll
fath Angus Livingstone, soldier
moth Margaret Hall/McPhail
m To Agnes Edmiston on 27 Oct 1827, Livingston, West Lothian
occ Wool and Cotton Hand Loom Weaver
d (52) 6 Jul 1858, Kilmeny, Argyll

Agnes Edmiston
b/c abt 1797, Blackburn, Livingston, West Lothian
m To John Livingstone on 27 Oct 1827, Livingston, West Lothian

Births & Baptisms Register 1805 Parish of Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon, County of Argyll
1805. Febry. 7th.
Angus Livingstone in Kilpatrick and Margaret Hall, their lawful son John baptd.


1851 Census – Parish of Kilmeny, County of Argyll

Esknish

Name relation age Marr/unm occupation born
John Livingstone Head 55 Marr Handloom Weaver Argyll, Mull
Agnes Livingstone Wife 54 Marr Blackburn, Linlithgowsh.
Gavine Livingstone Son 16 Unm Apprentice to father Blackburn, Linlithgowsh.
Neil Livingstone Son 9 Confined to bed for years Argyll, Collonsay

Death certificate 1858 Parish of Kilmeny County of Argyll
Livingstone, John, woolen and cotton weaver, married, died on 6th July 1858, at Tirvagan, at age 52 years. Father Angus Livingstone, Chelsea Pensioner (deceased), mother Margt. Livingstone, maiden name McPhail (deceased).
Cause of death: Disease of the Brain, as certified by Alex. Currier, MD who saw him on the 5th July.
Burial place: Burial ground of Kilmeny as certified by his son James Livingstone, the informant.
Informant: James Livingstone, son (present).

John Livingstone and Agnes Edmiston (continued)

1861 Census – Parish of Kilmeny, County of Argyll

3 Tirvagan

Name relation age Marr/
unm occupation born
Agnes Livingstone Head 64 Wid Linlithgowshire, Livingston
John Livingstone Son 28 Unm Wool & Linen Weaver Argyleshire, Colonsay
Andrew Livingston Gr-son 6 Scholar Argyleshire, Kilmeny


Siblings of John Livingstone b 1805

Mary Livingston
b/c 31 Oct 1802, Glasgow
fath Angus Livingston, cotton spinner
moth Margaret Hall

Births & Baptisms Register 1802 Parish of Glasgow , Burgh of Glasgow
Glasgow 31st October 1802. Livingston
Angus Livingston, cotton spinner, & Margaret Hall , a L. daur. Mary bo: 31st. Witn: James McKenzie & Archibald McKinnon.


Betty Livingston
b/c 25 April 1807, Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon, Argyll
fath Angus Livingston, ex-soldier
moth Margaret Hall

Births & Baptisms Register 1807 Parish of Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon, County of Argyll
1807. April 25th Baptd.
Angus Livingston, Pensioner in Kilpatrick & Margaret Hall, their lawful Daur. Betty baptd.


Cirsty Livingston
b/c 29 Oct 1809, Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon, Argyll
fath Angus Livingstone, ex-soldier
moth Margaret Hall

Births & Baptisms Register 1809 Parish of Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon, County of Argyll
1809. Octr. 29th (Baptd.)
Angus Livingston, Pensioner in Siaba & Margaret Hall, their Lawful Daur. Duncan baptd.

Siblings of John Livingstone b 1805

Duncan Livingston
b/c 30 Sep 1814, Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon, Argyll
fath Angus Livingstone, ex-soldier
moth Margaret Hall

Births & Baptisms Register 1814 Parish of Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon, County of Argyll
1814. Septr. 30th (Baptd.)
Angus Livingston, Pensioner in Siaba & Margaret Hall, their Lawful Son Duncan baptd.

(female) Livingston
b/c 29 Sep 1816, Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon, Argyll
fath Angus Livingstone, ex-soldier
moth Margaret Hall

Births & Baptisms Register 1816 Parish of Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon, County of Argyll
1816. Septr. 29th (Baptd.)
Angus Livingston, Pensioner in Siaba & Margaret Hall, their Lawful Daur. ____ baptd.

Hugh Livingston
b/c 6 June 1819, Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon, Argyll
fath Angus Livingstone, ex-soldier
moth Margaret Hall

Births & Baptisms Register 1819 Parish of Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon, County of Argyll
1819. June 6th (Baptd.)
Angus Livingston, Pensioner in Siaba & Margaret Hall, their Lawful Son Hugh baptd.

Siblings of John Livingstone b 1805

Ann Livingston
b/c 29 Dec 1821, Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon, Argyll
fath Angus Livingstone, ex-soldier
moth Margaret Hall

Births & Baptisms Register 1821 Parish of Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon, County of Argyll
1821. Decr. 29 Baptd.
Angus Livingston, Pensioner Siaba & Margaret Hall, their Lawful Daur. Ann baptd.

Jane Livingston
b/c 18 Jan 1829, Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon, Argyll
fath Angus Livingstone, ex-soldier
moth Margaret Hall

Births & Baptisms Register 1829 Parish of Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon, County of Argyll
1829. Janry. 18th Baptd.
Angus Livingston, Pensioner Siaba & Margaret Hall, their Lawful Daur. Jane baptd.


2. Sub-group 3. DYS439=11. This one is BEGGING for a family tree explanation. NOTE! 15073 and 127272 form a group within a group with DYS464=15-15-16-17, and they SHARE this with LY9P8N, AND(!) LY9P8N has a family tree link with 15073. So maybe ALL of these have a link to 15073 MORE RECENTLY than the link to LY9P8N. Thinking caps on!!!! Can this be true?

Livingstone 15662 represents a Livingstone family now known to be resident in Australia and Wales. They have a family tradition that their ancestor was a cousin and close friend of Dr. Livingstone. Members of his family held a walking stick and Bible given to them by Dr. Livingstone, but these are said to have stayed in Scotland during the war, and their whereabouts are now unknown. Ysearch for 15662. Keith James Livingstone E942P Maybe from Blantyre?

Livingstone 153356. 67 markers and definitely in this group. This family descends from Miles Livingston b.1775 a boatbuilder and cooper and his second wife Janette Livingston both natives of Morvern Parish in Western Argyllshire in highland Scotland. Miles and Janette left Bowmore, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay in June of 1812 for Lord Selkirk's Settlement at Red River in the Hudson Bay Territory, British North America. In 1815 they settled in Etobicoke Township, York County, Upper Canada(Ontario) and finally in 1819 in Esquesing Township, Halton County, Upper Canada near Acton. Their children and descendants lived in Ontario and Michigan. Lloyd V. Livingston

Livingstone 15073 . 67 markers and definitely in this group. has yet another Dr Livingstone family story, and traces his ancestor's origins to Prince Edward Island (Canada), ultimately originating in Morvern, Scotland. His DNA signature is similar to many of the other R1b participants on average, but none when it comes to exact one-by one comparisons! Donald Duncan Livingstone

Livingstone 127272. 67 markers and definitely in this group. Angus Livingstone married Margaret Hall or McPhail and lived in Mull in the 1700s, around Torosay, Kinlochspelvie, “Drimnatyne comes up quite often”. ( Now known to originate from Shiaba area, pls. ignore previous info stating from Drimnatryne) Then g/g/grandfather John moved to around Whitburn/Blackburn/Livingstone areas of West Lothian, got married and then moved again to Islay. g/grandfather, also John, appears to have stayed on Islay until he died, grandfather, John again, moved to Greenock, where he worked as a carpenter in the local shipyards, until he died around 1928. They lived in Regent St and later Antigua St., Greenock.” John Martin Livingstone
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Re: Angus Livingstone& Margaret (Hall/McPhail), Shiaba, Mul

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:40 pm

Hi John,

I am looking at my cousin Lloyd's 67 marker matches and comparing with the others because most except one Parker Livingston has done the 67 marker test while only a few have done the 111 marker test.I have found out that this number varies with some Livingstons within the Parker Livingston group but my cousin Lloyd 67 marker matches are 17 Livingstons from 67-2 to more distant 67-6. One Livingston who has done only a 37 marker test at 37- 4 Also a Parker 67-5 who has family history info that seems to suggest that a Parker ancestor was actually a Livingston adopted by a Parker family in the mid 1800's. There is also a Campbell, some Fergusons, a Morrison who are matching and these are families whom we know were common to Western Argyll. How they connect precisely to the Parker Livingston group however is not clear.


I had forgotten that in January and February of 2005 in the old forum , Keith had discussed with some details his ancestry and his connection to Angus Livingston and Margaret McPhail's son Gavin Livingston. He states at that time that Gavin Livingston b. 1835 son of John Livingstone and Agnes Edmonston married Catharine McLean in Campbelltown, Argyll on December 30, 1857. Gavin Livingstone he states was his great-great grandfather as you mentioned and that his great-grandfather was his son Neil McLean Livingstone 1864-1906. Neil married Elzabeth Cooper. He mentions children of Neil McLean Livingstone and Elizabeth Cooper being James Cooper Livingston, Neil Livingstone and an Elizabeth Livingstone (Mrs McGibbon) who had a Livingstone family bible and walking stick, but I am not sure which son of Neil McLean Livingstone and Elizabeth Cooper is Keith's grandfather. Anyways I think it pretty clear enough from this 2005 info that Keith is linked to your Livingston family.

There are now a few people of the 19 or 20 of the Parker Livingston Group I have mentioned that share great-great grandfathers like you and Keith. I am still working on updating the info on my notes regarding the Parker Livingston Group with the 19 or 20. I would like to wait however until July or so when I hoping Sandy Livingston's test results are released and we will know whether or not Sandy is a match with the Parker Livingstons or not. I noticed a message that there is some sort of backlog at the lab or something like that and that it may take longer for test results.

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Re: Angus Livingstone& Margaret (Hall/McPhail), Shiaba, Mul

Postby jmlivingstone » Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:40 am

Hi Donald,

Keiths grandfather is almost certainly Neil McLean Livingstone, there were two sons & two daughters. one son James Cooper Livingstone, died London 1961, his son died in New Zealand, so this pretty much narrows it down to Neil. Their sister Elizabeth died in Paisley 1940,

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Re: Angus Livingstone& Margaret (Hall/McPhail), Shiaba, Mul

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:18 pm

Hi John,

Yes for sure Keith is descended from Neil McLean Livingston Sr. born May 26, 1864 in District of Tradeston, Burgh of Glasgow and his wife Elizabeth Cooper whom he married Sept. 6, 1886 in the District of Blythwood, Glasgow. Keith was right on the mark as to this Neil McLean Livingstone ancestral connection to Gavin-John and Angus Livingston. Like your ancestry to old Angus, his ancestral line to Angus can be easily followed with the excellent collection of surviving Scottish parish records.Finding a death date for old Angus of Uragaig Colonsay later Paisley, Renfrewshire was just a weird and accidental stroke of luck after we had gone though probably all the records that existed on your family line in the years since we have been collaborating on this forum.

I was wondering also which son of Neil McLean Livingston and Elizabeth Cooper he was descended from and noticed there are two mentioned: James Cooper Livingstone 1895-1960. and Neil McLean Livingstone jr. 1899-1941. They both died in Great Britain apparently so it makes sense that the Livingston with a New Zealand connection was likely a son of one of these two sons of Keith's great-grandfather Neil Mclean Livingston and his wife Elizabeth Cooper. My Livingston cousin's DNA results he (and I) are related to both you and Keith and very closely related to the descendant of James Livingston b.1815 and Mary McMillan of Colonsay. Actually the descendant of James Livingston of Colonsay is my cousin's closest match at 67-2. I assume then that my ancestor Miles Livingston b.1775 of Morvern Parish had some ancestral connection to this James Livington that was living with Angus and his son Hugh. The matches also indicate a relatively close connection to Keith and your Livingston ancestor at some point in time. I think it safe to say I am distantly related actually to all three of you in the project that each have some apparent connection to old Angus of Uragaig, Colonsay.

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Re: Angus Livingstone& Margaret (HallI th/McPhail), Shiaba,

Postby jmlivingstone » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:37 pm

Hi Donald,

I just came across the post below from Keith, this indicates his g/father was James Cooper Livingstone, his g/mother was probably Agnes Kate Colley, they had a son Roy Chester Livingstone, who died in New Zealand, possibly this was Keiths father.

It's a pity he never comes on the forum anymore, http://www.flotrack.org/article/767-kei ... t-training, is this the same Keith ??

John




I am the son of a London-born Livingstone, himself the son of an invalided Argyll & Sutherland highlander (WW1), James Cooper Livingstone. I have traced this line through birth, mariage and death records to Neil McLean Livingstone, born 1864, son of Gavin Livingstone, b.4/1/1835, Parish Livingston, son of John Livingston (weaver) and Agnes Edmistone or Edmonston.
There is a reputed link to David Livingstone and Stewart of Appin and fighting the English over Prince Charlie.
I have lived in country Victoria, Australia, for 16 years, and people have often asked me if I was related to the "local" Livingstones who were long-time district butchers in the northwest of the state... Swan Hill, the Mallee, and the Wimmera... not too far from Hamilton in the state's west where Livingstones lie buried. These people are stocky and solid in build, not unlike many of my father's people, but rather unlike myself (I inherited my mother's side... she, by the way, was a Stanley!).
Keith Livingstone Australia

Also an old post from myself on the subject, from about 1999 I believe,

I think I may have just found another bit of the jigsaw puzzle for descendants of Angus & Margaret, a James Cooper Livingstone, b. 1895 in Edinburgh, d. 1961 in London.

James parents were Neil McLean Livingstone & Elizabeth Cooper, Elizabeth died 1928 in Paisley, Scotland, presumably she was living with her daughter, Elizabeth Bell Livingstone, at West Campbell St., Paisley.

Her daughter was married to a John McGibbon, she died at West Campbell St. on 10 July 1940.

This is probably the family Keith in Oz, reckoned had been left items belonging to Dr. Livingstone.

James married an Agnes Kate Colley, b. 1893 in Benenden, England, d. 1962 in London, they had one son, Chester Roy Livingstone, b. 07 Oct.1918 London, d. 20 July 1988, Auckland, New Zealand.

There are a couple of discrepancies, eg. James is listed as being born in Paisley in 1897, I suspect the tree this was originally posted in is wrong, & they were actually looking at the 1901 census, which lists a James, as the son of Thomas Livingstone, resident at 15, Glen St., Paisley, also, he was b. 1897, not 1895.

I have searched on quite a few sites, & it appears there is only one James Cooper Livingstone listed anywhere, I doubt if I will ever be able to prove 100% that this is the son of Neil & Elizabeth, but the name is not a common one, so, I reckon there is a good chance it is the correct person,

John
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Re: Angus Livingstone& Margaret (Hall/McPhail), Shiaba, Mul

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:26 am

Hi John,

Good news. There is a birth record for James Cooper Livingston recording him as a son of Neil McLean Livingston and Elizabeth Cooper.

James Cooper Livingston was born April 25, 1895 District of Newington, City of Edinburgh in Midlothian County, Scotland. Parents listed as Neil McLean Livingston and Elizabeth Cooper. He apparently died in London in 1961 or 1960.

A number of the Parker Livingston's had information possibly connecting their families to Dr. Livingstone's family. You should be aware however that DNA testing of a documented relative of Dr. Livingstone several years ago has pretty much proven that our Parker Livingstone group are not likely related to Dr. Livingstone through their Livingstone ancestry. My father and his cousin also had heard stories in their youth that our own family was related to Dr. Livingstone. My father was quite upset when I told him we were not related to Dr. Livingstone. I am disappointed to.

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