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Re: Newcomer and descendant of Archibald Livingston

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:56 pm

Hi Kyle,
If you go to my post entitled Livingstons of Achabegg, Morvern you will see "Aunt Betty" Livingston in census info with father Miles McInnes in 1841 at Savary, Morvern. I have suspected for some time now that Miles McInnes born in the 1770's whose mother was a Livingston and lived in Savary might a relative of old Donald Livingstone 1728-1816 of Savary. Later in the 1851 Census Betty McInnes is Betty Livingston residing at Achbegg with her husband Donald Livingston son of duncan Livingston and Catharine Cameron and her father Miles McInnes.

This Betty Mcinnes Livingston (Mrs Donald Livingston) 1818-1912 lived a long life and was very popular and much loved resident of Morvern. She overcame the poverty that beset the last of Livingstons in Morvern and as a widow became a successful merchant in Morvern. I included the lengthy 1912 obituary of Betty McInnes Livingston that one of the Livingston researchers had sent me a few years back in one of my recent postings. Anyways it is this interesting old lady Betty McInnes Livingston of Lochaline, Morvern who Ohio Lawyer and family historian Duncan Livingston mentions as "Aunt Betty" in that amazing 1899 letter that Duncan the historian wrote while staying at Lochaline, Morvern for a couple weeks. So "Aunt Betty's" late husband Duncan Livingston born abt. 1805 or 1806 who died in 1877 in Lochaline parents Duncan Livingston and Catharine (Katrine) Cameron, must I be I assume a brother of Duncan's father Angus Livingston. My only problem in terms of the old Morvern parish records it that there were two couples recorded as Duncan Livingston and Katrine Cameron and Duncan Livingston and Catharine Livingston but I am thinking they are actually the same couple and that in some Morvern Parish entries they are referred to as Duncan Livingston and Catharine Livingston and Duncan Livingston and Katrine (Catharine) Cameron but am not 100 certain I am right on that. So this complicates my reconstruction of the family of lawyer Duncan Livingston's father. What I am certain is that Duncan's grandfather in Morvern was named Duncan Livingston and that he was obviously named after him in Ohio and that Duncan's widowed grandmother who lived with them in Vernon Township, Scioto County Ohio in the 1850's was infact named Catharine. So 100 per cent certain Duncan's grandparents were a Duncan and catharine Livingston just not certain whether or his grandmother Livingston was a "Cameron" or "Livingston" by birth.

Yes it is wonderful that Kristen made the effort to locate her cousin Stephen and amazing that he had 1899 letter written to the sister Ann Livingston of his Stephen's ancestor John Livingstone son of widower Effy Campbell Livingston who with her children settled in Lawrence County, Ohio in the 1850's beside the neighbouring County of Scioto County, Ohio where as you know the Lawyer and family historian Duncan Livingston was born in 1850 and where his father Angus, mother Margaret and grandmother Catharine Livingston and two single Uncles also from Morvern Duncan and John Livingston lived in the 1800's. While the letter was brief it did link Betty Livington 1818-1912 of Lochaline, Morvern to Duncan Livingston lawyer of Scioto County, Ohio and proves that Duncan of the Scioto County, Livingston probably had a Livingston family connection with other Livingston family from Morvern that settled in the neighbouring Walker County, Ohio and was writing to one of them Ann Livingston in 1899.

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Re: Newcomer and descendant of Archibald Livingston

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:11 am

Hi all,

Achabeg, Morvern and map showing it's close proximity to Savary.

http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/recor ... beg/rcahms

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Re: Newcomer and descendant of Archibald Livingston

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:22 pm

Hi Kristen and Stephen,
I think the earlier Scioto County Livingston research has really laid the foundation for where we are now in terms of the discovery of the connections between the Scioto County LIvingstons and the Walker County Livingstons.
The Scioto County Ohio Livingston research began back in 2008 with Jewel Brown of Cape Breton Mull Livingston family origins, her late cousin Roberta Livingstone and I becoming interested in the Savary, Morvern family origins of Scioto County, Ohio born lawyer and family historian, Duncan Livingstone 1850-1910 when were discussing and an article on the Battle of Culloden and the Stewarts of Appin of his which was in an issue of the Celtic Monthly in 1896 and which in it the discussed some detail regarding his family connection to the Savary, Morvern Livingstons. This was of particular interest to me given the fact that my great-great-great grandfather a Livingston was born in Morvern and with a first name Miles likely to be connected to the McInnes and Livingstons that went by that forename of Miles in Morvern and neighbouring Lismore Island area. Jewel went through the Ohio census records back in 2008, located the biography on Duncan Livingstone published in 1903 so that by the time you all arrived at the forum and I became aware of the close proximity of your other Morvern Livingston in Walker County to the Scioto County, Livingstons, but already knew something of the Ohio history from previous 2008 discussions and as well I had done quite a bit of research on my own regarding particularly the Morvern Parish connections and history connected to the Scioto County Livingstons.

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Re: Newcomer and descendant of Archibald Livingston

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:16 pm

Hi Kristen,
You probably noticed this immediately but I became so focused on the "Aunt Betty" comment in the Duncan Livingston's and the discovery that he was related to Betty McInnes Livingston of Lochaline that I missed the first most obvious significant thing in the letter.
Sometimes one misses the obvious when studying a family history document like the 1899 letter written to Ann Livingston daughter of the late Hugh Livingston and Euphemia Campbell. Duncan in his letter written while visiting Scotland and staying at Lochaline, Morvern, Argyll refers to Ann Livingston of Walker County, Ohio as "cousin". So no doubt they were either first or second cousins I am thinking. In any event from the DNA project point of view there is little doubt then that your cousin Stephen who you located is likely a direct descendant of Hugh (Ewen) Livingston brother of Morvern's legendary Jacobite from the 1745 Rebellion and Battle of Culloden in 1746, Donald Livingstone 1728-1816 of Savary, Morvern.

There is not much information on Hugh (Ewen) Livingston unfortunately. Like his famous brother Donald he was a son of John Livingston (1700-1757) and Anna McInnes who are buried in Keil Cemetery, Morvern in an elaborately carved highland table tomb. Lawyer and family historian Duncan Livingston 1850-1910 of Scioto County, Ohio stated that Hugh has two brothers Donald and Angus. Angus he tells us in his Celtic Monthly article of 1896, was with Donald in the Jacobite Appin Regiment and others with Bonnie Prince Charlie at Culloden and that while Hugh's brother Donald escaped the battlefield with the Appin Regiment banner, the brother Angus was killed while trying to assist a wounded friend. I think it is assumed that Hugh was also at Culloden with Donald and Angus but not actually stated in the Article I don't think. The 1779 Census also lists a tenant at Savary named Malcolm Livingston but as the Morvern Parish records before 1803 did not survive and there are not other records of a family of Morvern Livingstons in Morvern in the 1700's all I know about him is what is stated in the 1779 census that he had apparently a wife and several children. I have done a fairly complete study of nearly all of the Morvern Livingston old-timers who died and whose parents were listed in their death records registered officially after 1854 and the name Malcolm has not come up, so I don't know what happened to Malcolm or his children after the year 1779. Ahh another research project for another time I guess.

Betty McInnes Livingston's 1912 obituary published in the Oban times that year includes and very interesting piece of information. The author of the obituary states that Betty's late husband Donald Livingston was the great-grandson of a brother of the famous Donald Livingston. This very nicely reinforces my notion that old Donald Livingston born abt. 1805 or 1806 in Morvern was also a descendant a Hugh Livingston and possibly a brother of Angus Livingston, lawyer/historian Duncan Livingston's father who settled in Scioto County, Ohio in the 1840's. The wonderful thing about researching the Scioto County Livingston is that there has turned out to be so much old written information related to this family from Duncan Livingston's 1896 article in the Celtic Monthly on the Appin Regiment at the Battle of Culloden where he discusses the relatives of Hugh Livingston he knew as a boy some of whom knew the famous Donald Livingston himself to the 1899 letter from Duncan from Lochaline, MOrvern to the 1903 Scioto County, Ohio of Duncan Livingston which discusses his own family origins. Interesting the 1903 article I wrongly states that Duncan was descendant of the famous Donald Livingstone. He seems actually to have been a descendant of Hugh Livingston as virtually
all of the Morvern born relatives he knew and talked to as a boy in Ohio including two nieces of the famous Donald Livingstone, Sarah Livingston Burke and Mary Livingston Boyd were according to him daughters of Donald's brother Hugh. The beauty of course of most of what young Duncan learned from all of these Morvern old-timers that he talked to as a boy and a young man was that as indicated in his 1896 article much of what he learned about Donald Livingstone and the Battle of Culloden may have come from old Donald himself as some of those relatives and Morvern folk would actually in their lifetimes spoken with the legendary Donald who died in old age in 1816.

I am thinking then that Betty McInnes Livingston's husband Donald Livingston 1805-1877 and Duncan's father Angus and Angus Livingston's two known brothers Duncan Livingston Jr. and John Livingston who lived with him for a time in Vernon Township, Scioto County Ohio in the late 1840's and 1850's are all brothers and sons of Duncan Livingston Sr. and Catharine Cameron. Catharine who lived with Angus in Scioto County has recorded on her Ohio tombstone that she is the "wife of Duncan" so there is good chance I am correct that Angus, Duncan Jr. John and Donald back in Morvern are all children of a Duncan Livingston Sr .who died before 1841 in Morvern and a Catharine Cameron a widow who settled in Ohio with her son Angus, Duncan Jr. and John. Back in Morvern, Betty's husband Donald a merchant died in Lochaline in 1877 and his death record confirms that his parents were Duncan Livingston and Catharine Cameron so that 1899 letter i think also clearly suggests that "Aunt Bettys" late husband Donald Livingston was lawyer Duncan Livingston's Uncle and therefore likely an older brother of his father Angus Livingston and the other brothers Duncan Livingston Jr. and brother John who lived with Angus,his wife young son Duncan and his widowed mother Catherine wife of the late Duncan Livingston as indicated a few years later in her Ohio tombstone.

Regarding your ancestor Hugh may be also be an unrecorded son of this Duncan Livingston and Catharine Cameron. We can already see that in regards to the children of this Duncan Livingston and Catharine Cameron even Angus Livingston's birth record is missing but his detailed 1808 Barr Morvern birth is included in his son Duncan's 1903 Scioto County, Bio. So it is within the rhelm of possiblitily that both Angus Livingston born in Barr Morvern and a brother Hugh Livingston born sometime between the years 1805 and 1812 were both by accident or error both not included in the old MOrvern parish book. That fact lawyer Duncan's father was born in 1808 in Barr Movern and this record is also missing but the 1808 birth later confirmed in his son's 1903 bio makes me think that we can't completely rule out the notion that Betty's husband Donald, Angus, his brothers Duncan Livingston b. 1810 at Barr, Morvern, brother John and your ancestor Hugh Livingston were all brothers. It also might explain why Duncan years later refers to your relative Ann Livingston as "cousin".

If this this is not the case then we have to consider that Ann is a second cousin. Perhaps another scenario could be that Hugh is the son of Donald Livingston and Peggy McInnes who had a son Donald Livingston born abt. 1808 and a son Hugh born abt. 1811 at Austeline, MOrvern. I am thinking however that the Livingstons that we have found residing in the 1840's and 1850's at Achbeg, Morvern near Savary, Morvern including Angus Livingston's mother Catharine and her son Duncan Livingston who settled in Scioto County, Ohio, and Effy Campbell Livingston, her husband Hugh in 1841 and the 1840's an 1850's Betty McInnes and husband Donald don't actually have a close AUsteline Morvern family connection and more likely a Achbegg, Barr and Savary, Morvern connection. The connecting settlements seem to have been Savary, Barr and near Savary the Achbegg settlement for all of these Morverns Livingstons I we know are related to one another. So I won't rule out the possibility that your ancestor Hugh was not a brother of Angus and connected to another family other than those we have found to be living in Achbegg in the 1840's I think is may be simply that Betty Levingston's Donald born abt. 1805 or 1806, Angus born in Barr, Morvern 1808 according to the 1903 article, his brother Duncan Livingston JR. born 1810 according to the Morvern Parish birth records sure enough also at Barr Morvern and the other brother John who lived with them in Ohio approximate birth date not as yet determined and no surviving birth record.

Duncan's father's birth record of 1808 in Barr, Morvern is stated in Duncan's Scoito County Ohio 1903 bio but clearly missing in the original Morvern Parish records. I suspect others are missing as well. One possibility is that Angus and these others were children of a Duncan Livingston and Catharine Cameron mentioned in the old Morvern Parish records. I believe the birth records of their children in the old parish book is incomplete and these including Angus and perhaps your ancestor Hugh are missing from these Church of Scotland birth records from MOrvern.

This is what I am suspecting this Livingston family could have been based on the apparent close family connection with those who lived in the 1840's and 1850's at Achbegg, Morvern near Savary.

Parents Duncan Livingston b. 1770's d. before 1841 in Morvern, Argyll and Catharine Cameron b.abt. 1772 Morvern, Argyll d. Vernon Township, Scioto County, Ohio Sept. 30, 1855 Old WHeelersburg Cemetery Porter Township, SCioto County, OHIo Note: Tombstone states Catharine Livingston "wife of Duncan"

1. John Livingston born ? Morvern, Argyll died between 1880 -1890 in Scioto County, Ohio (birth not recorded Morvern parish records) (still trying to come up with an approximate birth date for John. Hoping to someday find an Ohio death record.

2. Ann Livingston born 1804 in Achilnan, Morvern,Argyll died unknown in Morvern,

3. Donald Livington born 1805 in Morvern according to Morvern Parish records died 1877 in Lochaline, MOrvern m. Betty McInnes b. 1818 in Savary, Morvern Parents: Myles Mcinnes and Catharine Livingston d. 1912 in Lochaline Morvern

4. Hugh Livington b. abt. 1806 or 1807 in Morvern. Hugh's birth like Angus Livingston's not recorded in Morvern parish records d. between 1846 and 1851 likely in Achbegg, Morvern. m. Euphemia Campbell b. abt. 1799 or 1802 in Argyll, Scotland d.

5. Angus Livingston born 1808 Barr, Morvern (birth not recorded in parish records) source 1903 Duncan Livingston bio, died between 1860 and 1870 in Scioto County, Ohio.

6. Duncan Livingston Jr. born 1810 Barr, Morvern (birth recorded in old Morvern Parish records) died between 1880 and 1890 in Scioto County, Ohio?



This "theoretical" Morvern Livingston family would explain lawyer Duncan Livingston referring to Donald Livingston's widow as "Aunt Betty" and in the same 1899 letter from Lochaline, MOrvern as Hugh Livington's daughter Ann Livingston of Ohio as "Cousin".


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Re: Newcomer and descendant of Archibald Livingston

Postby Maverick1975 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 10:12 am

Donald,

Sorry about the long silence. I was sick and then managed to lock myself out of the forum. :oops: I did assume after reading the letter the first time that Anna and Duncan were most probably 1st cousins (also 2nd cousins potentially). I wouldn't be surprised if they were 1st cousins and close. Hugh Burke lived with Duncan and his family and then married Margaret, daughter of Effie and Hugh. It's very likely that they were introduced after Effie and kids immigrated to Lawrence County and met up with their Scioto County relatives. (Of course, it's also possible they knew each other back in Argyll)

The 1841 census doesn't help us because it says Hugh was born in Argyllshire, Scotland. Grrrrr. But he claimsto be 35 in that census which would make him born about 1806 or so. Again, he could have misstated his age or the census take misheard him. So that is probably of no help.

But I like your thought process. But then who is the Donald that potentially escorted Effie and the kids to the US??? I think Steve is working on that angle because I have not been able to find him anywhere! I suppose another potential theory is that a Donald Livingston was over visiting and escorted them back? Hmmmmmm. OR Donald, Betty's Donald, was over for a visit to the US and escorted them over and then he visited and went back. Okay, I'm currently out of theories.

Another thought: If we look at census information, doesn't it usually tell how many kids a woman had? That may not be until later though. 1900s and on. I'll go look.

You always give me so much to think about Donald. Thank you so much for all the work and thought you put into helping Steve and I solve our genealogical puzzle! :D

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Re: Newcomer and descendant of Archibald Livingston

Postby Maverick1975 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 10:18 am

It looks like they started asking how many kids the woman had in the 1890 Census. Of course, that won't help us here because both Catherine Cameron and Effie were dead way before then. And of course it doesn't help that the 1890 census was destroyed by fire. :x
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Re: Newcomer and descendant of Archibald Livingston

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:11 pm

Hi Kristen,

The Burkes and these Scioto County Ohio Livingstons did indeed know each other in Morvern. I think you can also can safely assume that your Livingstons also knew them. If you look at the 1841 Census info we know for sure that Angus Livingston's mother Catharine knew William Burke and his wife Sarah Livingston and their children William Burke and Hugh his brother because in the 1841 Census you can see that young William Burke Jr. age 13 is living with old Catharine Livingston and her son Duncan Livingston age 30 at Achabeg and in few years later they and the Burkes including brother Hugh Burke end up in Ohio. Lawyer Duncan Livingston in his 1896 Celtic Monthly Article on the Battle of Culloden mentions that he learned what he knows about his family and the famous Donald Livingston of Battle of Culloden fame from his Morvern relatives that settled in Ohio and New York State such as his father's Uncle John Livingston of OneidaCounty, New York who had settled in America years before the others. Also most importantly he mentions "two elderly nieces of Donald Livingstones brother Hugh Livingstone" in his article Sarah livingston Burke of Ohio and Mary Livingston Boyd who heard stories of Donald Livingston apparently from their famous Uncle. Then in the 1899 Letter Duncan mentions to his cousin Ann Livingston that the Morvern folk he talked to there remembered the Burkes. And of course Hugh Burke who married a daughter of Hugh and Effy likely knew the family back in Morvern as a child an or his parents Willam Burke Sr and Sarah Livingston for sure did.

We may not have all the pieces to your Livingson family puzzle but I think the surviving info has been somewhat helpful in giving you and Stephen hopefully some sense of your Livingston families connection to these other Livingstons. It is frustrating just how close were are making complete sense of this but at least I think I think we are getting some sense of it all. For me best of all everything suggests that you and your cousin Stephen are almost certainly descended from Hugh a brother of the famous Donald Livingston and I can't tell you how happy I am about that having been trying to locate through my research a descendant of either the famous Donald Livingston or if not a descendant of his brother Hugh Livingston of Savary, Morvern. So you and Stephen have put me ahead of the game on my own family research and the research of the Morvern Livingstons. I have been focusing on the neighbouring Mull Livingstons and their descendants over the last few years, but it has for some reason been more difficult to find descendants of Morvern Livingstons. A few of Donald livingstone's great grand children ended up in lowland Scotland and traced them up until around 1901 but I don't have much access to Scottish Census records after 1901 though i have access to birth death and marriage records after 1901. I may go back to what I do have the Livingston kin of the famous Donald Livingstone that settled in Lowland Scotland in the 1800's and I traced their up until the year 1901 or thereabouts. Perhaps seeing if anyone is researching those specific families. There are however other Livingston projects I have working on that may supersede that.

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Re: Newcomer and descendant of Archibald Livingston

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:11 am

Hi Kristen,

Your ancestor Hugh Livingston and his wife Efffy Campbell spent the late 1820's and early 1830's at Kyle, Morvern and following that located in Achabegg, Morvern. I don't think it was mentioned in the forum message that their marriage record states that Hugh Livingston of Kyle and Effy Campbell were married August 3, 1829. Their eldest child Ewen (Hugh) born at Kyle was baptized August 13, 1830.

By 1831 judging by the baptism record of the next child, Hugh and Effy had moved to Achabegg. Residing in Achabegg by 1841 in a croft in close proximity to Hugh and Effy at Achabegg, Morvrn was Catharine Livingston b. abt. 1772 or 1775 widow of Duncan Livingston Sr. and her son Duncan Livingston Sr. Her son Angus Livingston was working in lowland Scotland and another son John also was elsewhere in 1841. Later in the 1840's Angus Livingston would go to Ohio and he would be joined in Ohio subsequently by his widowed mother Catharine who left Achabegg in the 1840's with her son Duncan Livington Jr. and they and another son John Livingston settled with son Angus and his wife Margaret Livingston by the late 1840's in Vernon Township, Scioto County, Ohio.

Betty McInnes (Aunt Betty) of Savary, Morvern daughter of Miles McInnes and his wife Catharine Livingston, and her husband Donald Livingston were married in the 1840's and by 1845 were living also at Kyle when their son Duncan Livingston was baptized Dec. 4, 1845, then daughter Catharine also of Kyle baptized Dec. 10, 1848. By the late 1840's or early 1850's Betty Mcinnes and her husband Donald Livingston and family were residing at Achabegg when on April 25, 1851 a son John Livingston was baptized. The widow Catharine Livington 1772?-1855 and her son Duncan Livingston Jr. left their croft in Achabegg in the mid 1840's to join her son Angus Livingston in America and the widow Effy Livingston and her children had left Achabegg croft sometime later in the 1840's and left in 1851 for America. It would seem likely then that Betty McInnes and her husband Donald Livingston and their family occupied an abandoned Livington croft sometime around 1851 or before.


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Re: Newcomer and descendant of Archibald Livingston

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:37 pm

Hi Kristen and Stephen,

This was apparently the original order of and a complete list of residents censused at Achabegg, Morvern for the 1841 Scottish Census. Looks like the census taker went from one tenant croft to the next and I think that this indicates that that Hugh Livingston and family and Duncan Livingston and his widowed mother Catharine with William Burke Sr. and Sarah Livingston's son William Burke Jr. were in a second croft apparently beside the Hugh Livingston croft. Hugh Livingston and Euphemia were married in 1829 at Kyle, Morvern and for few years in the 1830's were residing in Kyle according to the baptism records but later in the 1830's Hugh and family located at Achabegg beside the widow Catharine Livingston and her son Duncan Livingston Jr. I think this suggests that Hugh Livingston and Duncan Livingston could have been brothers and the widow Catharine Livingston the mother of both of them. There is no information on how long Catharine and her son Duncan jr. were at Achabegg, but it is known that around the time of Duncan birth in 1810, Catharine, her late husband Duncan Livingston Sr. and their children lived at Barr, Morvern. Although there is no surviving baptism record for Catharine's son ANgus Livingsto who settled in Scioto County, Ohio in the 1840's, from "A History of Scioto COunty, Ohio by Nelson Evans published in 1903, confirms that Angus like his younger brother Duncan Livngston Jr. was also born in Barr, Morvern: "...Angus Livingstone was a native of Barr, Morvern, Argyllshire, Scotland and born January 16, 1808."



Here then is the 1841 Census with the order of the Achabegg tenants as they were censused in June? of 1841.

Residents of Achabegg, Morvern 1841 Scottish Census
1.
John MacDougald 40 agricultural laborer
Angus MacDougald 35 agricultural laborer
Catharine Macleod 35 servant
Donald Heckman 15 servant

2.
Hugh Livingston 35 agricultural laborer
Euphemia Livingston 40
Hugh Livingston 10
Christina Livingston 8
John Livingston 6
Mary Livingston 2
Catharine Livingston 0

3.
Duncan Livingston (jr.) 30 agricultural labourer
(Duncan's 1810 baptism record states that his parents were Duncan Livingston resident Barr (Morvern) and Catharine Livingston.
Catharine Livingston 65 (widow of Duncan Livingston according to her Ohio gravestone)
known mother of Duncan jr., Angus and John Livingston later of Scioto County, Ohio who located there in the late 1840's.)
William Burke 15 servant (son of William Burke and Sarah Livingston) all of them also settled in Ohio along with another son Hugh Burke

4.
John Stewart 60 agricultural laborer
Margaret Stewart 40
Janet Stewart 11
Mary Stewart 9
Donald Stewart 7

5.
John Henderson 60 agricultural laborer
Mary Henderson 50
Sarah Henderson 30
Christy Henderson 25
Mary Henderson 15
Flora Henderson 7

6.
Duncan McKenzie 35 agricultural laborer
Mary McKenzie 60
Archibald McKenzie 20 shoemaker
Christina McKenzie 25

7.
John Cameron 80 Tailor
Emily Cameron 70
Margaret Cameron 35
Aneas Cameron 25 shoemaker
Mary Cameron 7
Archibald Rankin 10


8.
Allan Maclean 40 agricultural laborer
Anne Maclean 75
Catharine Maclean 35
Hugh Maclean 12
Margaret Maclean 9
John Maclean 7
Alexander Maclean 4
Donald Maclean 1

9.
Donald Cameron 20 agricultural laborer
Mary Cameron 40
Anne Cameron 15
Alexander Cameron 10
Duncan Cameron 8
Sarah Cameron 4
John Cameron 1

10.
John Kennedy 40 agricultural laborer
Flora Kennedy 65
Donald Kennedy 35 weaver handloom
Neil Currie 6
Sarah Maclean 20 servant
Archibald Campbell 35 mason
Hugh Cameron weaver handloom
Catharine McKay 35


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Re: Newcomer and descendant of Archibald Livingston

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:48 pm

Hi Kristen and Stephen,

One of other interesting thing came to mind looking over the info. Effy and her children and her husband Hugh were reduced to poverty before his death with him sick and not being able to work apparently and the widow and children left Achabegg farm sometime between 1845 and before 1851 and by the time of the 1851 Census they were living at Lochaline. What seems to probably happened after Effy and family left their croft at Achabeg for another location in Morvern was that Betty McInnes and her husband Donald Livingston located at Achabeg just before 1851 and are recorded in the 1851 census for the first time residing at Achabegg. Then in 1851 Effy and family living by this time in Lochaline, Morvern left for America. This of course is not proof that Donald and Effy's late husband Hugh Livingston were related but if not it is an interesting coincidence that settled in Achabeg apparently around the time that the widow Effy Livingston and family left their croft at Achabegg apparently.

We don't know precisely where they first lived when they arrived in America because they arrived after the 1850 Census had been taken and years before the 1860 Census was taken. Eventually when recorded in the census the family would be located in Lawrence County, Ohio, but I suspect when they first arrived in America the family may have lived with or near Angus Livingson, his widowed mother Catharine and other kin in neighbouring Scioto County, Ohio. The specific details of the period when Effy and family first arrived in Ohio in 1851 and before 1860 are unknown to us so we can only speculate but clearly they settled in Ohio because of their assumed family connection to Catharine Livingston widow of Duncan Livingston Sr. formerly of Achabegg, Morvern and her son Angus Livingston of Scioto County, Ohio. While there is no birth or baptism record that survives proving that Effy's husband Hugh Livingston was a son of the widow Catharine Livingston it should be noted that neither is there one for Catharine's son Angus Livingston whom she was living with in Scioto County, Ohio. In the case of her son Angus Livingston we only know his birth info because it was included in a brief biography of his son Duncan Livingston 1850-1910 a Scioto County, Ohio lawyer published years later in 1903.

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