Re: New member questions family search
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:36 pm
Hi Yvonne,
No doubt about it a genetic distance of 1 at 111 is as about as good as it gets with the familytreedna Y chromosome test and is the closest match I've seen amongst Livingston matches not Father and son or Uncle or Nephew, with George's predominately Western Argyll Livingston DNA group. 111 markers is highest Y chromosome test upgrade and the most markers that my Livingston and few of the other Livingstons in the group of about 25 Livingstons has been tested. Only two have not done the 67 marker test and with several Livingstones having upgraded to the 111 marker test in the past few years, it has been helpful particularly in the case of the Morvern matches. There is only one Livingston of Morvern ancestry who has not done the 111 marker test and we have heard from them for several years unfortunately. In a situation like that of these Morvern matches, four of them actually prior to George's test, after Stephen took the test and decided he wanted 111 rather than 67 for starters, I made certain that Lloyd and his 67-1 match Sandy was upgraded to 111. I really wanted to know how closely related with the more precise 111 marker test, my cousin Lloyd was with his closest Morvern match Sandy apparently descended from John Livingston of Killudine, MOrvern and then see how close cousin Lloyd and his closest MOrvern match Sandy (John Alexander) was with Stephen who was 67-3 and 111-4. Turned out Sandy was one genetic step closer I think it was to Stephen than cousin Lloyd. Sandy was 67-2 and 111-3 compared to Stephen descended from a Livingston from Achabegg next to Savary and before that to a Livingston in the 18th century that lived at Savary, MOrvern. I have to think then at 111-1 you 18th century Livingston ancestors before they lived at Inverness must have at one time been kin to the family of Stephen's 4th great-grandfather? Ewen Livingston of Savary and his brother the famous Donald Livingstone 1728-1816 of Savary, MOrvern
Tell George we very much appreciate him doing the 111 marker test because it just helps to further and more precisely define our little Morvern group most of whom have now done the 111 test. When you said that George would be tested I was pretty confident he would quite likely be a match with this group which before George, included 4 Livingstons of documented Morvern origins, several lIvingstons of neighbouring Mull origin not as close as match with the Morvern sub group in the group but matching relatively closely with them and one with neighbouring Ardnamurchan ancestry and one with Ballachulish parish ancestry all in the Western Argyllshire. We also have some Perthshire Livingstone matches, Perthshire being the neighbouring County to Argyllshire, but to me there relative close match with the Mull Livingtons in our group and this group in general suggests to me their earlier origins of their ancestors earlier in the 18th century and before that was probably a parish in Western Argyllshire perhaps Mull. I really however did not suspect George would be another likely Morvern match with our little but growing Morvern sub group let alone a rare 111-1 match. So I am just about as thrilled about this result as you and George are no doubt. We are really zeroing in with these 4 Livingstons of Morvern ancestry I would assume the descendants of four Livingston families whom lived in the several tenant settlements along the west coastline of Morvern Parish with Mull in the distance just across the water from them. With so many people in this group having taken the 67 marker test it just makes sense for them to consider upgrading to this 111 marker test in the future if as many do have some relatively close or happen to have particularly close matches as in the case of George and your new Livingston cousin Stephen.
regards,
Donald
No doubt about it a genetic distance of 1 at 111 is as about as good as it gets with the familytreedna Y chromosome test and is the closest match I've seen amongst Livingston matches not Father and son or Uncle or Nephew, with George's predominately Western Argyll Livingston DNA group. 111 markers is highest Y chromosome test upgrade and the most markers that my Livingston and few of the other Livingstons in the group of about 25 Livingstons has been tested. Only two have not done the 67 marker test and with several Livingstones having upgraded to the 111 marker test in the past few years, it has been helpful particularly in the case of the Morvern matches. There is only one Livingston of Morvern ancestry who has not done the 111 marker test and we have heard from them for several years unfortunately. In a situation like that of these Morvern matches, four of them actually prior to George's test, after Stephen took the test and decided he wanted 111 rather than 67 for starters, I made certain that Lloyd and his 67-1 match Sandy was upgraded to 111. I really wanted to know how closely related with the more precise 111 marker test, my cousin Lloyd was with his closest Morvern match Sandy apparently descended from John Livingston of Killudine, MOrvern and then see how close cousin Lloyd and his closest MOrvern match Sandy (John Alexander) was with Stephen who was 67-3 and 111-4. Turned out Sandy was one genetic step closer I think it was to Stephen than cousin Lloyd. Sandy was 67-2 and 111-3 compared to Stephen descended from a Livingston from Achabegg next to Savary and before that to a Livingston in the 18th century that lived at Savary, MOrvern. I have to think then at 111-1 you 18th century Livingston ancestors before they lived at Inverness must have at one time been kin to the family of Stephen's 4th great-grandfather? Ewen Livingston of Savary and his brother the famous Donald Livingstone 1728-1816 of Savary, MOrvern
Tell George we very much appreciate him doing the 111 marker test because it just helps to further and more precisely define our little Morvern group most of whom have now done the 111 test. When you said that George would be tested I was pretty confident he would quite likely be a match with this group which before George, included 4 Livingstons of documented Morvern origins, several lIvingstons of neighbouring Mull origin not as close as match with the Morvern sub group in the group but matching relatively closely with them and one with neighbouring Ardnamurchan ancestry and one with Ballachulish parish ancestry all in the Western Argyllshire. We also have some Perthshire Livingstone matches, Perthshire being the neighbouring County to Argyllshire, but to me there relative close match with the Mull Livingtons in our group and this group in general suggests to me their earlier origins of their ancestors earlier in the 18th century and before that was probably a parish in Western Argyllshire perhaps Mull. I really however did not suspect George would be another likely Morvern match with our little but growing Morvern sub group let alone a rare 111-1 match. So I am just about as thrilled about this result as you and George are no doubt. We are really zeroing in with these 4 Livingstons of Morvern ancestry I would assume the descendants of four Livingston families whom lived in the several tenant settlements along the west coastline of Morvern Parish with Mull in the distance just across the water from them. With so many people in this group having taken the 67 marker test it just makes sense for them to consider upgrading to this 111 marker test in the future if as many do have some relatively close or happen to have particularly close matches as in the case of George and your new Livingston cousin Stephen.
regards,
Donald