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Donald David Livingstone iv

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:09 pm
by donald david
Hi;
I am Donald David Livingstone (iv) , although I don't use the 4th part. My father was born in Locharbriggs Scotland May 24 1922, and moved to Alberta in 1925 , with his father and mother Jean Livingstone ne; Learmont Currie. They settled in Alberta because of illness, and family. My Uncle William Matthew was born in July of 1925 here in Canada. Now my Grandfather's father was born in Ballachulish , and his wife was Annie McLeod. Right now I don't have birthdates for my Grandparents, but am working on it.
I have 2 sisters, Bonnie Jean Livingstone in Kingston Ontario, and Janet May Stick in Whitehorse Yukon.

Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:40 pm
by Kyle MacLea
Donald David,

As you've no doubt read on the Forum, we have at least 2 families with connections to Ballachulish. Donald and the Research Committee (Jewel & Roberta) may be able to help with some research leads for you.

But I'd also like to suggest you join the DNA project.... The other 2 families are also part of our DNA project and we should be able to connect you if you match to them, OR we may find your family matches one of the other Livingstone lines (the Baron, the Doctor, Parker/Livingstone, etc.). If you'd like more information, definitely let me know!

Kyle=

Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:37 pm
by Canadian Livingstone
Hi Donald,

Can you tell me your great- grandfathers name and his approximate birthdate in Ballachulish? I may be able to locate his ancestors. Sorry I assume his name was Donald David Livingston or Livingstone.

regards,

Donald

Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:22 am
by Canadian Livingstone
Hi Donald,

I found your family in the 1891 and 1901 Scottish Census at Benvear house (Benview?), at Lettermore,in what was old Duror Parish actually beside Ballachulish Parish and the village of Ballachulish in the late 1800's referred to as being in the Civil Parish of Lismore and Appin, Argyllshire Scotland a Donald Livingston born December 6,1886 at Ballachulish the son of Donald Livingston born abt. September 13, 1856 at Keil in Morvern Parish, Argyllshire and Annie born abt.1856/ 1857 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire. The birth records Donald born 1886 were recorded in the District of Duror as the family seem to be according the Census and birth records residing in the Lettermore area in old Duror Parish adjacent to Ballachulish Parish and not far from the village of Ballachulish that you referred to.

In the 1891 Census Donald is born abt. 1886 in Duror District but which formerly was referred to as being Duror Parish. (Donald and his sibbling are still referred to having been born in Duror District in the birth records) and he and his family in the 1880's and 189o's on historic and scenic Glencoe Road closer to Lettermore in what was in old Duror Parish rather than in neighbouring Ballachuilish in Ballachulish Parish.A detailed map of the Western Argyll County area shows that Lettermore and Ballachuish are in close proximity to one another. I have no idea at present where Benview House was in the Lettermore/Duror Parish area or was where the family was living but I am looking into it. There is a Benview House Hotel but that is in the Fort William area in Invernessshire but farther away from the Lettermore/Ballachulish area. Donald Livingston and his wife Annie Mclean not McLeod according to all the records were married January 5,1886 in Glasgow where Annie was from. THe Lettermore, Duror birth records of the children of Donald and Annie all indicate the January 5th 1886 wedding of the parents Donald Livngston and Annie McLean that took place not in Argyllshire but in Glasgow where Annie was from.

The family of Donald Livingston and Annie McLean according to the records was Donald born December 6,1886, Laughlin b. October 27,1889, Bessie Sarah b.February 1891,Catharine b. abt.1896 and John b. abt 1899. This was the only Donald son of Donald and Annie that lived nearby to the Ballachulish area in 1901 so that is why I am thinking this is your family. THe birth records indicate that Donald's parents were Donald Livingston and Annie McLean rather Annie McLeod. Checked this out with three of Donald and Ann's children's baptismal records to be certain it was Mclean rather than Mcleod.

Most interestingly Donald's father also named Donald lived along the Glencoe Road at Lettermore neighbouring the Ballachulish area and was employed as a joiner but actually was born on a farm in Keil in Morvern Parish in 1856 which is also in Western Argyllshire. My ancestor Miles Livingston was born in Morvern Parish. Donald b.1857 according to the 1881 Census (actually 1856) was still single and by this time had left Keil, Morvern and was living as lodger with a McLean family in rural Ballachulish employed as a Joiner. For some reason every generation has a Donald in this family.

Donald b.Sept. 13, 1856 at Keil in Morvern Parish, Argyllshire was the youngest child of Donald Livingston a stone dyke builder b.abt.1796 or 1794 in Morvern Parish and his wife Sarah maiden name Livingston born abt. 1815/1816 at Savary,Morvern Parish the daughter of Adam and Mary Livingston of Savary, Morvern Parish.
In the 1841 Scottish Census Donald and Sarah Livingston are apparently recently married and living at Savary in Morvern Parish, Argyllshire. Later in the 1840's they move to a farm at nearby Keil. THe eldest child of Donald Livingston b.1796 or 1794 and Sarah Livingston b. 1816 was born at Savary, Morvern Parish Catharine b. Sept. 27, 1842. The remaining children were all born at Keil, Morvern Jane b. abt.1844, Janet born Feb. 01,1847,Sarah b. March 2, 1850 and Donald b. Sept. 13,1856. In 1851 Sarah Livingston wife of dykebuilder and family are at Keil in Morvern on a farm, while the husband Donald a dykebuilder is temporarily lodging elsewhere in Argyllshire while building a dyke. In 1841 Donald and Sarah Livingston are at Savary which suggests very strongly that this family line which ended up in Ballachulish by the 1870's was not only prior to that living in Keil, Morvern but prior to the 1850's were living and originated from Savary Morvern which likely makes them connected to the Savary Livingstones. Looking at the Morvern baptismal records it looks like they living at Savary when first married around 1841 or a little before. Sometime after Catharine was born in 1842 they then they located on a farm at nearby Keil sometime between 1842 and 1847. The records indicate that Donald's wife Sarah was also a Livingston. I cannot regretably go back farther in your family line although I assume that Donald Livingston was born abt. 1796 probably somewhere in Morvern Parish.

The most famous Savary , Morvern Livingston was old Donald Livingston 1728-1816 a Savary, Morvern hotel keeper and better known as the hero who rescued the Appin Regiment banner from the Battlefield of Culloden in April of 1746 and returned it to the APpin Stewarts. This Ballachulish family is definitely a Savary or Keil, Morvern family with one descendant settlling in the Ballachulish area where he found work as a joiner. He married a wife named Annie who was originally from Glasgow probably in the 1880's and they eldest child Donald was born in 1887 in Ballachulish area. Donald b. 1796 or 1794 was the son of Donald Livington and Catharine McInnis and I cant link them to the famous Donald Livngston of Savary but I am fairly certain that Donald's wife Sarah Livingston was a grandson of the famous Donald Livngstone (1728-1816) of Savary through his son Adam Livingston the miller of Savary in the early 1800's who was Sarah's father according to her death record. So one way or another you actually are probably descended from Donald Livngstone 1728-1816 of Savary, famous hero of the Battle of Culloden 1746 just not through Sarahs husband Donald Livingston b. 1796 or 1794.

regards,

Donald

Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:23 am
by donald david
Hiya again;
My Great Grandfathers name was also Donald David Livingstone

Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:05 am
by Canadian Livingstone
Hello Donald,

If I understand correctly:

Father: Donald David Livingston b.1922 Locharbriggs, Scotland
Grandfather Donald David Livingston b. at Ballachulish grandmother Jean Learmont Currie
Great Grandfather Donald David Livingston and Annie McLeod b. Ballachulish
Compare
Scottish Census information I have located that originated in old Duror Parish in the Lettermore area near Ballachulish and Morvern suggests your family tree might be:
Grandfather Donald Livingston b.December 6,1886 Lettermore/ Ballachulish area m. Jeannie Currie
Great Grandfather Donald Livingston b. September 13,1856 at Keil, Morvern Parish Great Grandmother Annie McLean b. abt. 1856/1857
Great-great Grandfather Donald Livingston b. abt. 1796 at Savary, Morvern Parish and Sarah Livingston b. abt.1815/ 1816 at Savary, Morvern Parish

The birth place of Keil Morvern for the great grandfather is based upon his 1891 census information in which he gave the birthplace all those censused and clearly indicated your great grandfather actually lived before the 1881 Census in Keil and Savary, Morvern parish, Argyllshire. The census records and birth records indicated that your Great grandfather Donald Livington was born 1856 in Keil, Morvern Parish the youngest of Donald Livingston b.1796 at Savary, Morvern and Sarah Livingston b. abt. 1815/1816 of Morvern Parish. According to Census records, from the Lettermore, Duror area near Ballachulish your great grandfather Donald Livingston b.1856, left his home of Keil, Morvern before 1881 where in the 1881 Census he first shows up near Ballachulish as a 24 year old joiner living single for a few years in a boarding house of a McLean family. In the 1891 Census your great grandfather first appears with his wife and his children in the Lettermore area that was in old Duror Parish next to Ballachulish village and Ballachulish Parish. He and Annie and family also appear in the 1901 Census in the same area living along old Glencoe Road closer actually to the Lettermore area than the neighbouring village of Balachulish according to the Scottish records.

regards,

Donald

Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:57 pm
by Kyle MacLea
Who are we looking for in the marriage records? I can check our database and see if they're there. Then you could go to Scotlandspeople to see if there are more details.

Kyle=

Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:50 pm
by Kyle MacLea
Hi Donald,

I can find no Donalds or Annies (of any name variation) marrying at that time. No McLeods meeting that description or any name variant. I really can't find it any way by searching by date, parish, or first or last name of any of the people involved. Sorry to say, they don't appear to be in the records. Which is weird, because marriage records from the 1880s were compulsory.

These are the Argyll Donalds born in 1887:
19578 B 1887 LIVINGSTON DONALD M KILMORE AND KILBRIDE /ARGYLL Scotland 523/00 0085 Scotlands People SR Births
19656 B 1887 LIVINGSTONE DONALD M TOBERMORY /ARGYLL Scotland 549/00 0029 Scotlands People SR Births
19579 B 1887 LIVINGSTON DONALD M WESTERN ARDNAMURCHAN /ARGYLL Scotland 505/04 0017 Scotlands People SR Births
19581 B 1887 LIVINGSTON DUGALD M KILMORE AND KILBRIDE /ARGYLL Scotland 523/00 0049 Scotlands People SR Births

Are one of these the Donald born 1857?

13018 B 1857 LIVINGSTON DONALD M KINLOCHSPELVIE /ARGYLL Scotland 545/00 0013 Scotlands People SR Births
13087 B 1857 LIVINGSTONE DONALD M TOROSAY /ARGYLL Scotland 550/00 0003 Scotlands People SR Births

If you want me to search for anything else let me know.

Kyle=

Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:29 pm
by Canadian Livingstone
Hi Kyle,
Got the research material in the mail on Wishart Robertson and Morayshire Macleas. Thanks for that. I am interested in particular with the Scottish origins of the family. If you want to spend the afternoon looking up Mcleas from all over Scotland try the LDS familysearch.org they seem have assembled a large data base of McLea related records with easy access.

Me again with an updated message.
Try looking for Donald Livingston born 1886 in Ballachulish, Argyll. It is probably 1886, 1887 was just my estimate. Father: Donald Mother Annie.

Sorry I found that he was born in September of 1856. I think you will find a Donald born in September of 1856 born in Morvern to Donald and Sarah Livingston his parents as also indicated by the census records That from the LDS copied Scottish records.

They may been married more likely in 1885 or 1886 rather than 1887. Look for a Donald Livingston and Annie McLeod if you can in an Argyll wedding in the 1880's to be sure. I think she was born in Glasgow but I dont think they would have been wed in Lanarkshire but I guess you never know.

regards,

Donald

Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:34 am
by Canadian Livingstone
Hi Kyle,

Try looking for Donald Livingston born 1886 in Ballachulish, Argyll if you can. He must be there somewhere. Father Donald Livingston, Mother Annie McLeod?

His father Donald was born Sept 13, 1856 at Keil Morvern Parish son of Donald Livingston and Sarah Livingston also of Morvern Parish where they had a small farm. I discovered along with most of his siblings birthdates in Morvern. The census records state about 1857 but that was an estimate.

regards,

Donald