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Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

Postby Kyle MacLea » Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:21 pm

Wow, this story gets more interesting! Thanks for the exhaustive examination, Donald!

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Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

Postby k.l.livingstone » Tue May 22, 2012 5:41 am

Wow, Yes this does get more interesting. I know that my Uncle has a book that was given to him by a museum curator in Scotland that has our Livingstone family history up until, I believe, 1945. I will try to get a hold of it and transcribe a bit of it onto this site in the near future. Unfortunately, as a female i am unable to do any genetic testing but I still hope that one of the males in the family will, although, the family story is still great!
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Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

Postby Kyle MacLea » Tue May 22, 2012 4:20 pm

Kendra--if you can get one of the males in your family to consider DNA testing, this would be a GREAT boon to the Clan and to our knowledge of who is related to whom with it!

To have someone with a very plausible relationship to Donald of the Standard, and to be able to say for sure that he is related to Dr Livingstone or the Chiefs or any other line in the Clan would be a great find! So, please encourage someone in your family to test:

http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join ... Livingston

If you need financial assistance in making this happen, let us know. We have a General Fund that can be used to make a small difference in costs for key family testing within the Project. Your family would certainly qualify, as I don't think we have anyone else yet with such a strong claim to being descended from the "famous" Donald of Morvern (or at least from his same line of men--perhaps an uncle, brother, etc.).

Email me at commissioner -at- clanlivingstone -dot- com if you'd like to learn any more about the DNA Project.

Thanks for checking in! And yes we'd love to know more about your family from the book you have if you can possibly share it--it will also help others to learn about their heritage as well.

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Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Tue May 22, 2012 11:36 pm

Hi Kyle,
See the posting above with the family ancestral line. It is very interesting in that in one of Kendra and Donald earlier ancestral lines in Morvern one Morvern Livngston married into another Morvern Livingston family. There were a number of Livingston famiies in Morvern in the 1700's and 1800's.
We have both a maternal and paternal Line way back in the 1800's at Morvern that was of Morvern origin. I dont know if the Paternal line is connected to famous Donald Livingston of Savary but we do know that Sarah Livingston daughter of Adam Livingston was a granddaughter of the famous Donald Livingston. But that would be their Morvern Livingston early 19th century maternal line. However remarkably kendra's ancestor Sarah Livingston married a Donald Livingston of Morvern son of Donald Livingston and Catharine McInnes so this old Paternal line is also of Morvern Livingston origin. I am suspecting two Morvern Livingston cousins married but cant be sure of that. In any event a DNA test of Livingston originating from Morvern could be compared with the two Livingston families we have already tested with roots in Morvern and those whose ancestors originated from Mull and Appin/Lismore.
The family is interesting in that there is actually two Morvern Livingston family that Donald and Kendra are related to. If you look at ancestor no. 5. Donald Livingston son of Donald Livingston and Catharine McInnes of Morvern married Sarah Livingston daughter of Adam Livingston the miller of Morvern. Now we know for a fact that in the maternal line of this generation that Sarah and her father Adam Livingston are connected to

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Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

Postby Kyle MacLea » Wed May 23, 2012 5:33 pm

I hadn't noticed that detail, but I suspect the DNA line represents both families (i.e., as you suspect, they were cousins. Morvern wasn't THAT big). But we'll see I guess, still, this family is our best shot at establishing the line of Donald so far.

Great work in tracing this family!

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Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Thu May 24, 2012 12:49 am

Hi Kyle,

The ruins of Adam Livingston's mill at Savary may still be there. We were able to take back Kendra and Donald's paternal Livingstone line back into the 1700's with Donald Livingston and Catharine McInnes. But I face a dead end as far as info on them as the Morvern Parish records do not survive before the early 1800's. So no Morvern baptisms survive before that period. But we do about their Donald Livingston and Catharine McInnes son Donald Livingston born in the late 1700's and resided on a Savary, Morvern Livingston farm in the early 1800's with his wife Sarah also a Livingston, daughter of Adam Livingston the Savary, Morvern miller and son of the famous Donald Livingston 1728-1816 a Battle of Culloden Jacobite hero of the Appin Regiment. I have established at least one connection to Donalds son Adam through Sarah Livingston and as mentioned her husband and her resided on the only apparent Livingston farm at Savary prior to the 1840's. Whether that was actually Sarah's fathers Adam Livingstons farm I dont know. All I know is that circa 1840 and before that it would seem that Sarah daughter of Adam and her husband Donald Livingston resided on the Savary Livingston tenant farm. Whether is was Sarah's fathers or rented by Donald parents Donald Livingston and Catharine McInnes I cant be certain. I am wondering if the Livingston tenant farm I see in the 1841 census was not earlier Sarah's father Adam which I did not consider when I first pointed out to Kendra and Donalds old ancestor in the 1840's on the Livingston farm at Savary, Morvern. I assumed it was connected to his family but it could be connected to his wife's family whose roots are at Savary, Morvern for a great many years. One of things i loved to prove but there just is very little info on the Savary Livingstone family apart from what I uncovered for the article. The Morvern Parish Livingstons are long gone from the parish now according to the late Rob Livingstone who visited the area some time ago. THere were some ruins of the mill at Savary. Rob said there wasnt much there at Savary.

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Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Thu May 24, 2012 1:02 am

Hi Kendra,

You and your brother are descendants of what was once a thriving parish community of Morvern Livingstons that lived along the Morvern Coast across from Mull and the Island of Lismore where the Clan Chief's family has resided for centuries. We in the Clan Society consider it most significant that at least one Livingstone in your family and possibly two are connected to the famous Donald Livingstone 1728-1816 a cattle grazer, miller and hotel keeper whose claim to fame was rescuing the Jacobite APpin Regiment banner from the field at the Battle of Culloden in 1746 and escaping detection of the Red Coats on his return journey to Argyllshire where he returned the Banner to the Stewarts of Appin. In the early 1800's the mill at Savary was operated one of his sons Adam Livingston the son of Donald Livingston and his wife Jane Stewart also known as Jean Stewart. Last year I made some progress identifying most of Adam's brothers who like Adam died in Morvern Parish in the 1800's. I had assumed most of sons of Donald Livingston and Jane Stewart of Savary, Morvern had emigrated to North America and Australia by the mid 1800's in fact the opposite seems to be the case according the Morvern Parish death records. That makes it all the more interesting to learn that descendants from a indentified daughter of Adam Livington the miller of Savary and son of Donald Livingston 1728-1816 had a descendant who eventually ended up in Calgary, Alberta Canada.

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Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

Postby k.l.livingstone » Thu May 24, 2012 4:57 am

Hi Donald and Kyle,
Yes, I do remember family stories regarding the Donald Livingstone that rescued the banner and returned it to the Stewarts as my maternal grandfather was, as that family story goes, a descendant of Jane (Jean) Stewart. However my family had never been able to confirm this prior to my grandparents death and I have not been able to find any connection through research of my own as nothing else is known about them.
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Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

Postby Canadian Livingstone » Thu May 24, 2012 11:48 pm

Hi Kendra,

Your family moved about a bit from Morvern in later years and eventually leaving Western Argyllshire and Scotland but the wonderful thing about the 19th century Scottish records is that are often quite detailed and in the case of your family I carefully traced them back as you can see generation by generation by following the family details found in marriage records, baptisms, death records and census records from 1841 onward while the family still resided in various parts of Scotland. The document trail soon led me back to Morvern Parish and it soon became clear that as far back as was able to go in the early 1800's your ancestor one of many Donald Livingstons in your family line had lived a Livingston farm at Savary and while I couldnt prove that he was necessarily a blood relative of Donald Livingston who had been also tenant farmer at Savary i did manage i think to prove oddly enough through the records that this Donald Livingston a tenant at Savary, MOrvern at the time of the 1841 Scottish census and likely before that was married to Sarah Livingstone daughter of Adam Livingston a tenant at Savary in the late 1700's and early 1800's and also a miller at Savary, Morvern. Most importantly the family information was that Adam the miller and tennant at Savary Milll was the son of Donald Livingston and Jane Stewart. Donald of course was the hero of Culloden. Are you saying that grandparents suspected they were related to famous Donald Livington and Jane Stewart and were familiar with them? Perhaps your grandfather had done some family research or remembered something his father had told him about Morvern. Did your grandfather have any notion about the family having lived at Morvern? This is very interesting. All I know about Sarah Livingstons husband was that he was also a Livington Donald Livingston born in the 1790's in Morvern Parish to Donald Livingston and Catharine McInnes. Presumingly they were born in the 1760's or 1770's but I cant go that far back in the records unfortunately for Morvern. THe McInnes family was an ancient Morvern family well represented in the Savary and adjacent area and a number of them married local Livingstons including i might add the famous Donald Livingstons 1728-1818 father John Livington who married a Ann McInnis. We have a photo John and Ann grave in our Clan Society forum gallery that was sent to me by the late Donald McInnes of Clan McInnes. That would be Adam Livingstone's grandparents. Sarah Livingston's great grandparents. It was created around 1760 for his parents by Donald Livingstone of savary, Morvern and is located in Keil Cemetery near Lochaline, Morvern if you ever decide someday to take a trip to the ancestral homeland.

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Re: Donald David Livingstone iv

Postby k.l.livingstone » Sun May 27, 2012 9:58 pm

Thank you for all of this wonderful information! The Livingstone's are my paternal lineage. My mother was adopted into a Stewart family. It was my (adopted) grandmother who suspected that her husband's family lineage was of the Stewart's of Culloden. Unfortunately, both of my adopted grandparents passed away many years ago and kept no family history. I do not even know the dates of either of their births, deaths, or marriage nor do i know either of their middle names or any information on blood relatives.
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