Possible connection to the Livingston's of New York

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Jewel and Roberta,

THe numbers for the 1820 Census Potter Township, Centre Township dont exactly match for the children but I think this is the James Livingston we are looking for. There is also a possible brother William Livingston in the 1820 Census also in Potter Township which is interesting and indicates the whole James livingston William Livingston connection to this family possibly. Also based on the family tree Roberta found someone else is thinking along the same lines regarding this family.

regards,

Donald

[Kyle MacLea]

Allow me to just say: You guys are amazing!

Kyle=

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Kyle

Jewel and Roberta ( I know they are cousins but they seem like identical twins) are this amazing twin powerhouse of atomic research energy that once unleased knows no bounds.

regards,

Donald

[Greg Livingston]

I occasionally visit genealogy.com’s Livingston genforum to see if anything pops up of interest. Well, on today’s visit there is something interesting to me. This post: posting.php?mode=reply&f=5&t=877 may have James D.’s father or grandfather or both listed. I’m hesitant about that but am contacting the person that made the post to gather more information. What is interesting is that there is direct connection between Ireland and Pennsylvania, specifically York County, Fayette County and the town of Connellsville. While that does not put them in Alleghany County it does show a migration west and seems a possible connection. IF this is a correct connection it would show that my family is not closely related to the Livingston’s of New York but through Ireland. It will probably not be easy to track from County Down, Ireland to Scotland but who knows. I will post more as I get clarification.

[Kyle MacLea]

Definitely let us know what you find out, Greg! Good luck!

Kyle=

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Greg,

Referring to your early posting of 2009 there is no doubt that the William W. Livingston age 40 carpenter of Jefferson, Aleghany County, Pennslyvania and his wife Nancy were the parents of your ancestor James D. Livingston who in the 1850 Census is recorded as age 17. That much i am pretty certain of. William W is in the 1840 and 1850 Census at Jefferson but I dont know where he was in he earlier census records. Williams father may have been also named James D. as some have suggested but I dont know if there original source records stating that. Would be nice if they turned up just to be a little more certain. I suspect your family is either of Scotch Irish or Scottish origin. It is possible that they were connected the New York State family of RObert Livingston of Livingston Manor, but I think it more likely that your ancestor has scotch Irish or Scotch roots to settlers who settled in the Alleghany County area in the 1700's perhaps or some neighbouring County. Sorry wish I was more help.

regards,

Donald

[Greg Livingston]

Donald, based on what everyone here has found, I have been thinking along those lines too. The post I reference above from genealogy.com , could be pointing me in the right direction. There are some James and Williams names in there but I'll have to do some work and get an answer from the person that posted it to see.

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Greg,
Have you contacted any local historian from Jefferson or Alleghany County to see if there are any local records or land records on your family circa 1840 or 1850 or before that might be helpful to your family research. What about land record-deed trace. Did your ancestor own land at that time in Jefferson and could a study of the history of the deeds help you to establish when William first arrived at Jefferson or when his unknown father arrived there. Either he owned his farm or rented it presumingly. Good chance he owned it in the 184os 1850s at Jefferson.

regards,

Donald

[jmlivingstone]

Greg,

I came across the names below in another site, I notice a few of the names you have in your original post are included in this list.
Unfortunately, I have no way of verifying if the tree is authentic or not,but hopefully it will be of some use to you,

John

John Forsythe, b. 1675, Invernesshire, Scotland.
Spouse unknown.
Family; John H. Forsyth, b. 1715.
William H. Forsythe, 1718 – 1800.
James Forsythe, 1721 – 1805.
All three sons born Londonderry, Northern Ireland, emigrated to America 1739, arrived Wilmington, Delaware.
Johns occupation is listed as a teacher @ Mifflin, Allegheny, PA. He died @ Fayette, PA.
Wm.H. married Elizabeth Johnson @ Chester, PA in 1750, he died @ Jefferson, Fayette, PA in 1800.
Elizabeth was born 1734 @ Newton-Limarod, Roscommon, Ireland, she died 1811 in USA.
Wm. & Elizabeths family were, Jacob b. 1751 / Mary b. 1753 / Robert 1755 – 1832 / Margaret 1757 – 1843 / John 1763 – 1846 / Nancy Agnes 1765 – 1859 / Elizabeth 1767 – 1859 / William b. 1769 / Jesse 1770 – 1857 / Eli 1773 – 1854 / Violette 1775 – 1820.

James married Margaret Vail Means @ Chester, PA in 1746.
Margaret was born 1716 @ Somerset, PA, & died 05 June 1790, interred Lebanon Church Cemetery, Mifflin, Allegheny, PA.
James Sr. & Margarets family were, Sarah b. 1748 / Margaret b. 1750 / Mary Polly b. 1752 / William 1754 – 1833 / James II. 1765 – 1850 / George 1757 – 1776.
James II. married Susannah Kuykendall b. 1767 in Clairton, Allegahany, PA, died 10 Feb. 1832 @ Mifflin, Allegahany, PA., marriage 1785.
James Jr. & Susannah family, William 1787 – 1864 / Sarah 1789 – 1874 / George B. 1790 – 1852 / Margaret 1793 1883 / Rebecca 1794 – 1815 / Mary 1786 – 1841 / Annette 1800 – 1843 / Benjamin 1802 – 1851 / James III 1804 – 1886 / Joseph 1805 – 1842 / Lewiss Feree 1807 – 1848 / Zeruiah 1809 – 1839.
Sarah Forsythe 1789 - 1874, married James David Livingstone b. 1786 in PA, d. 10 Dec. 1865 in Walkersville, Shelby, MO, marriage 28 Feb. 1805 @ Mifflin, PA. She died 14 July 1874 @ Walkersville, Shelby, MO.
Sarah was resident @ Washington, Clay, Indiana for part of 1850.
On the death of James David, Sarah is listed as marrying a James Jesse Carothers, with whom she appears to have had a further 11 children.
James David Livingstone & Sarah family, John Darragh b. 1807 / Joseph 1808 – 1862 / William Warren 1810 – 1862 / James Darragh 1812 – 1870.
William Warren married Nancy Large on 4 Nov. 1829, Nancy 1808 – 1852.
William & Nancy family, Mary b. 1830 / James Daniel 1833 – 1917 / Anne Lyndah 1835 – 1836 / Nancy Jane 1837 – 1900 / William Lowrey b. 1840 / Hannah Margaret b. 1844.

James Daniel Livingstone 1833 – 1917, married Lucy Ann Byrum 1831 – 1902,
James Daniel & Lucy Family,
1. James Henry Livingstone b. 09 Aug. 1863, d. 20 Dec.1952, 1900 he was resident @ Mountain Grove, Wright, Missouri.
James Henry married Mable Clare Beazely, b. 1870.
James Henry & Mabel Family,
2. Harold Todd, b. 1888.
3. Mildred b. 1890.
4. Lewis Feree Livingstone, b. 29 Jan. 1865, d. 27 Dec. 1948.
Married Annie Lindsay on 03 Sept. 1893 @ Sedalia, Pettis, MO

[Greg Livingston]

Thank you very much for that information. I had not run across that yet. Definitely the correct family and it does show a connection back to Scotland but not the Livingstone connection.....yet. Could I ask which site you found this information on? I'd like to contact the person that posted it and see if they have more inforamtion on Sarah Forsythe and James David Livingston, specifically James' parents. I do see several connections to the Livingstones of New York - Susannah Kuykendall for example. Also, it would also be great to find date of James David's death. From everything I have been able to find, it appears to have been during the War of 1812 time frame but no date, location or cause. The information on John Forsythe, b. Invernesshire, and moving to Londonderry could indicate a longer term relationship between these two families.

Once again, thank you!