Donald,
our Livingston cemetery is where Peter is buried. i was just looking back through your old posts, and saw a reference to a Livingston/Smith cemetery. that would be the cemetery of the Daniel Livingston (who was an adult in 1850) family branch i mentioned earlier. they are near Wagram, NC next to the Lumber River. i know some descendants of this branch, although the surname Livingston has been lost, they are Smiths. i know them a little socially, and we have discussed the Livingston connection, but we did not establish how we were related. they own a small winery there on their old family land, and they named one of their wines "Livingston", and another "Daniel". unfortunately, Gallo wines threatened them with a lawsuit because Gallo had the rights to their series of wines called "Livingston", so they had to drop the name on that one. in earlier post, you mentioned a poet named McNeill. that is a prominent name in their family, and is probably their relative. they are very proud of their family heritage, and i feel someone has some interesting information to share. i am going to contact them and find out about their family cemetery, and see what family tree information they have.
North Carolina Livingstons
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Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Hi Allan,
In the years after the dna project was started it became clear that of the three known Livingston families of apparent Argyll highland origin that settled in what was Richmond, Anson and Montgomery County in the 1700's and early 1800's we one whose descendant was James Livingston and early settler of Montgomery County from Islay, Argyll and another descendant of your ancestor Duncan D. Lviingston of Richmond County. So we ended up with the discovery through dna that the old Montgomery County Livingston family who like you have a very old family cemetery are of a totally different Livingstone dna group to the Richmond County family of Duncan D. Livingston and the tests ruled out any connection what so ever of the two families. I don't think we have anyone tested from the Anson County Livingston family.
Not everyone from the group your cousin is in has submitted some sort brief family tree info so I am hoping to get that info at some point from those in other people in the group that your cousin has matched up to which is a predominate highland Argyll Livingston group as it turns out. I suspect your results will match up with this group. In fact I am pretty certain that your results should match up closely to Charles Livingston's descendant as your ancestor was Charle's older brother. As the highland Maclea Livingstone family from Western Argyll lived in Western Argyll for centuries there are a number of Livingstons within the group your cousin matched up to that have as result of the historic age of this family group varying degrees of being related so some are more closely related and others more distantly related reflected in the dna results. Anyways you will see what I mean what you start getting your results which as I recall takes several weeks after you do the test. Some Livingstons in the project group share a common Maclea Livingstone ancestor as much as several centuries ago and others much more recent that than. In the case of you and Duncan David if the family tree info and census info is accurate as I am certain it is then it seems to me that you and your cousin should be a very close match. At least that his how it should work out. Others in the the group will be more distantly related. THough I will never be able to tell you the precise location of where in Western Argyll your ancestor and Duncan David's lived, I can with 100 percent certainty tell you even before your test that your ancestors came from Western Argyll probably Mull/Colonsay Morvern, Mull, Appin or Lismore. A very beautifully scenic part of highland Scotland with Lochs and Mountains and lots of historic ruins. Home of Highland Clans like McLeans. Camerons, Carmichael, McInnis Stewarts, Campbel, McDougall etc. At least I am basing this on what I know of your cousin's results which I assume would be similar to yours.
Not familiar with that later Daniel livingston you mentioned. THe only other North Carolina Livingston family I really researched to any significant degree in the past besides your second or third cousin Duncan David was that of a gentleman from the old Montgomery County Livingstons who are decended from an original Livingston settler in MOntgomery County named James Livingston. This descendant of James did the dna test so we know as did your cousin so we know the original Montgomery County Livingstons and the original Richmond County Livingston such as yourself and your cousin Duncan David are not in any way related. I have seen your ancestor Duncan Livingston referred to as Duncan D. Livingston or Duncan Daniel Livingston but I dont know the original source of the Duncan Daniel Livingston in the records. He is referred in the census records just as Duncan Livingston. I am interested in any original land records for your ancestor Duncan Livingston you can locate and the years. You mentioned they exist. If you find these and can access them from your local land office or archives it would be great extract the info as to the precise location and get a sense of where the family farm was precisely located in Williamson Township. I imagine you have a general sense already where your Duncan and later his son Hugh lived. I was getting the sense that after Duncan died Hugh inherited the farm. Hugh is residing on a farm in 1840 that is probably on land that his father acquired. Sounds like from your earlier message you got a sense from looking at land records where Hugh's father acquired land in the early 1800's. WOuld be interested in learning more about what you have learned from the land records about where Duncan and Hugh were located and if Hugh was living on Duncan's land.
regards,
Donald
In the years after the dna project was started it became clear that of the three known Livingston families of apparent Argyll highland origin that settled in what was Richmond, Anson and Montgomery County in the 1700's and early 1800's we one whose descendant was James Livingston and early settler of Montgomery County from Islay, Argyll and another descendant of your ancestor Duncan D. Lviingston of Richmond County. So we ended up with the discovery through dna that the old Montgomery County Livingston family who like you have a very old family cemetery are of a totally different Livingstone dna group to the Richmond County family of Duncan D. Livingston and the tests ruled out any connection what so ever of the two families. I don't think we have anyone tested from the Anson County Livingston family.
Not everyone from the group your cousin is in has submitted some sort brief family tree info so I am hoping to get that info at some point from those in other people in the group that your cousin has matched up to which is a predominate highland Argyll Livingston group as it turns out. I suspect your results will match up with this group. In fact I am pretty certain that your results should match up closely to Charles Livingston's descendant as your ancestor was Charle's older brother. As the highland Maclea Livingstone family from Western Argyll lived in Western Argyll for centuries there are a number of Livingstons within the group your cousin matched up to that have as result of the historic age of this family group varying degrees of being related so some are more closely related and others more distantly related reflected in the dna results. Anyways you will see what I mean what you start getting your results which as I recall takes several weeks after you do the test. Some Livingstons in the project group share a common Maclea Livingstone ancestor as much as several centuries ago and others much more recent that than. In the case of you and Duncan David if the family tree info and census info is accurate as I am certain it is then it seems to me that you and your cousin should be a very close match. At least that his how it should work out. Others in the the group will be more distantly related. THough I will never be able to tell you the precise location of where in Western Argyll your ancestor and Duncan David's lived, I can with 100 percent certainty tell you even before your test that your ancestors came from Western Argyll probably Mull/Colonsay Morvern, Mull, Appin or Lismore. A very beautifully scenic part of highland Scotland with Lochs and Mountains and lots of historic ruins. Home of Highland Clans like McLeans. Camerons, Carmichael, McInnis Stewarts, Campbel, McDougall etc. At least I am basing this on what I know of your cousin's results which I assume would be similar to yours.
Not familiar with that later Daniel livingston you mentioned. THe only other North Carolina Livingston family I really researched to any significant degree in the past besides your second or third cousin Duncan David was that of a gentleman from the old Montgomery County Livingstons who are decended from an original Livingston settler in MOntgomery County named James Livingston. This descendant of James did the dna test so we know as did your cousin so we know the original Montgomery County Livingstons and the original Richmond County Livingston such as yourself and your cousin Duncan David are not in any way related. I have seen your ancestor Duncan Livingston referred to as Duncan D. Livingston or Duncan Daniel Livingston but I dont know the original source of the Duncan Daniel Livingston in the records. He is referred in the census records just as Duncan Livingston. I am interested in any original land records for your ancestor Duncan Livingston you can locate and the years. You mentioned they exist. If you find these and can access them from your local land office or archives it would be great extract the info as to the precise location and get a sense of where the family farm was precisely located in Williamson Township. I imagine you have a general sense already where your Duncan and later his son Hugh lived. I was getting the sense that after Duncan died Hugh inherited the farm. Hugh is residing on a farm in 1840 that is probably on land that his father acquired. Sounds like from your earlier message you got a sense from looking at land records where Hugh's father acquired land in the early 1800's. WOuld be interested in learning more about what you have learned from the land records about where Duncan and Hugh were located and if Hugh was living on Duncan's land.
regards,
Donald
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Alan Livingston
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Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Donald,
i do not know if you can insert internet links on the forum, but below is a web address for an interesting land grant site furnished by the NC archives. you can search any name, like Duncan or Hugh Livingston, which i did, and you will see several land grants, mostly described as "east of crooked creek". this is in south west Scotland County, and is very near where i was always told Hugh lived, and was originally buried. one grant mentions "Green Pond" which is very near crooked creek. note that the grants to both Duncan and Hugh are desribed as "east of crooked creek", which is a very specific area of only a few miles in south west Scotland County. i also note one grant to Charles Livingston, also "east of crooked creek" in 1828.
http://www.nclandgrants.com/query/?
also, i see one grant to Daniel W Livingston in 1855 which is on the "west side of Lumber River", exactly where i mentioned the Smith/Livingston/White descendents still own land next to the river and the winery i mentioned. here is an excerpt from the vineyard website:
"The land which Cypress Bend Vineyards calls home, is steeped in rich history, passed down through the generations since 1807. The beautiful farm land, known as “Riverton,” was discovered by a Scottish couple, Reverend Daniel White and his wife Catherine Campbell White. The Whites raised five children in Riverton, and to this day their descendents, including the Smith Family, continue to enjoy the farm and its native surroundings"
i see that Reverand Daniel White's oldest daughter, Mary b 1807 married a Charles Livingston. in your post dated July 15, 2009 4:00 pm, you said Duncan Livingston and his first wife, Ann McLean had three sons, "John, Charles and Hugh b 1805 apparently the youngest". so, i would venture that the Charles who married Rev. White's daughter was a son of Duncan, and the older brother of Hugh. then, Charles's son was likely the Daniel W. Livingston b 1828 who was a slave holder in 1850 and received a land grant in 1855 in the "Riverton" area.
i am so confident of my family roots, that i am now ordering my first kilt in ancient Livingston tartan! i will be ready for upcoming Highland games. and i am going to sign up for the DNA project right away.
Alan
i do not know if you can insert internet links on the forum, but below is a web address for an interesting land grant site furnished by the NC archives. you can search any name, like Duncan or Hugh Livingston, which i did, and you will see several land grants, mostly described as "east of crooked creek". this is in south west Scotland County, and is very near where i was always told Hugh lived, and was originally buried. one grant mentions "Green Pond" which is very near crooked creek. note that the grants to both Duncan and Hugh are desribed as "east of crooked creek", which is a very specific area of only a few miles in south west Scotland County. i also note one grant to Charles Livingston, also "east of crooked creek" in 1828.
http://www.nclandgrants.com/query/?
also, i see one grant to Daniel W Livingston in 1855 which is on the "west side of Lumber River", exactly where i mentioned the Smith/Livingston/White descendents still own land next to the river and the winery i mentioned. here is an excerpt from the vineyard website:
"The land which Cypress Bend Vineyards calls home, is steeped in rich history, passed down through the generations since 1807. The beautiful farm land, known as “Riverton,” was discovered by a Scottish couple, Reverend Daniel White and his wife Catherine Campbell White. The Whites raised five children in Riverton, and to this day their descendents, including the Smith Family, continue to enjoy the farm and its native surroundings"
i see that Reverand Daniel White's oldest daughter, Mary b 1807 married a Charles Livingston. in your post dated July 15, 2009 4:00 pm, you said Duncan Livingston and his first wife, Ann McLean had three sons, "John, Charles and Hugh b 1805 apparently the youngest". so, i would venture that the Charles who married Rev. White's daughter was a son of Duncan, and the older brother of Hugh. then, Charles's son was likely the Daniel W. Livingston b 1828 who was a slave holder in 1850 and received a land grant in 1855 in the "Riverton" area.
i am so confident of my family roots, that i am now ordering my first kilt in ancient Livingston tartan! i will be ready for upcoming Highland games. and i am going to sign up for the DNA project right away.
Alan
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Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Hi Allan,
Normally I would wait until your dna results were in before making any conclusions or even proposing theories about your Livingstone origins, but in your case given the fact that one of your North Carolina family group has already been tested and proven by the testing to be be part of particular Livingston dna group in our project an interesting group of Livingstons actually from different parts of the world many with family origins linking their ancestry to Western Argyll, that is I am comfortable stating I am pretty certain you are indeed descended from Western Argyll highlanders of highland Clan Maclea Livingstone. And yes the old Livingstone tartan kilt would be just perfect for you. Let me know if you go to highland games in North Carolina when that next takes place. Probably next year I would imagine. We have some folks in our Clan Society in the U.S who try to get some of the highland games and Scottish Clan gathering held in different places in the States. Our new North American Clan Commissioner Greg Livingston I think has been involved in that as have some others in our Society. Would you be interested in joining the Clan Maclea Livingstone Society? Many of our members are Americans like yourself. Both Greg and our former Clan Commissioner for North America, Prof. Kyle Maclea reside in the U.S.A. Our Clan Chief is Baron Niall Livingstone son of the late Baron Alastair Livingston who passed away in 2007 well into his nineties. Niall Livingstone the current Baron of Bachuil and his late father and their ancestors have resided for centuries at Bachuil, on the Isle of Lismore in Western Argyll near to the Morvern mainland where my Livingston family originated.
You can go to the home page of the Clan Maclea Livingstone Society website and you will find some interesting articles written by the Chief on ancient origins of his Bachuil Livingstone family and other interesting information on the Clan. Also information on Clan membership. Members receive our Clan Maclea Livingstone Society Newsletter The Parnassus.
I am sorry to say I was unable to get in touch with your cousin Duncan David and let him know about you, but I will see if Greg, Kyle or Andrew can figure out how we can get in touch with him.
regards,
Donald
Normally I would wait until your dna results were in before making any conclusions or even proposing theories about your Livingstone origins, but in your case given the fact that one of your North Carolina family group has already been tested and proven by the testing to be be part of particular Livingston dna group in our project an interesting group of Livingstons actually from different parts of the world many with family origins linking their ancestry to Western Argyll, that is I am comfortable stating I am pretty certain you are indeed descended from Western Argyll highlanders of highland Clan Maclea Livingstone. And yes the old Livingstone tartan kilt would be just perfect for you. Let me know if you go to highland games in North Carolina when that next takes place. Probably next year I would imagine. We have some folks in our Clan Society in the U.S who try to get some of the highland games and Scottish Clan gathering held in different places in the States. Our new North American Clan Commissioner Greg Livingston I think has been involved in that as have some others in our Society. Would you be interested in joining the Clan Maclea Livingstone Society? Many of our members are Americans like yourself. Both Greg and our former Clan Commissioner for North America, Prof. Kyle Maclea reside in the U.S.A. Our Clan Chief is Baron Niall Livingstone son of the late Baron Alastair Livingston who passed away in 2007 well into his nineties. Niall Livingstone the current Baron of Bachuil and his late father and their ancestors have resided for centuries at Bachuil, on the Isle of Lismore in Western Argyll near to the Morvern mainland where my Livingston family originated.
You can go to the home page of the Clan Maclea Livingstone Society website and you will find some interesting articles written by the Chief on ancient origins of his Bachuil Livingstone family and other interesting information on the Clan. Also information on Clan membership. Members receive our Clan Maclea Livingstone Society Newsletter The Parnassus.
I am sorry to say I was unable to get in touch with your cousin Duncan David and let him know about you, but I will see if Greg, Kyle or Andrew can figure out how we can get in touch with him.
regards,
Donald
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Canadian Livingstone
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Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Hi Allan,
This is tartan 1003
http://www.clanlivingstone.com/Ancient.htm This one is quite popular with our Clan and used by the Chief.
regards,
Donald
This is tartan 1003
http://www.clanlivingstone.com/Ancient.htm This one is quite popular with our Clan and used by the Chief.
regards,
Donald
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Alan Livingston
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Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Donald,
Yes, I will join the society. I ordered my 67 marker DNA kit today. And, I really like the ancient colors. I bought a necktie a few weeks ago in it. We have a small Highland games here in Scotland County in October which I attend. There is a big one at Grandfather Mountain in the NC mountains in the summer, which I hope to attend. If I I keep up this pace, I may be speaking Gaelic by next year! Niall and I are the same age-might have to give his bed and breakfast a visit, too.
Thanks so much for your help,
Alan
Yes, I will join the society. I ordered my 67 marker DNA kit today. And, I really like the ancient colors. I bought a necktie a few weeks ago in it. We have a small Highland games here in Scotland County in October which I attend. There is a big one at Grandfather Mountain in the NC mountains in the summer, which I hope to attend. If I I keep up this pace, I may be speaking Gaelic by next year! Niall and I are the same age-might have to give his bed and breakfast a visit, too.
Thanks so much for your help,
Alan
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Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Hi Allan,
Yes I could not remember the name. "Grandfather Games." Aren't they the biggest highland games in North America?
It is interesting looking at a map that Richmond/Scotland County, Anson and Montgomery are in close proximity to one another and that they are close to the border with South Carolina. I did not realize that. I guess lots of families of highland scottish descent in these counties.
I am sure you would enjoy your visit to the Isle of Lismore, meeting the Clan Chief and be amazed by the scenery and history in the land of your ancestors. Sounds like a great idea. Did you find the Web site informative? Prior to the 1750's you will find that Clan members are recorded as Macleas or Maconleas as that was our gaelic name. By late 1750's for reasons not entirely certain, the Clan Chief and the entire Clan in western Argyll adopted the english name Livingstone and stopped referring to themselves as Macleas on Maconleas. Our Clan today is however officially recognised as Clan Maclea Livingstone and that is why we refer to ourselves as such and not to be confused with the old aristocratic lowland Stirlingshire family that went by the name Livingston.
Our Clan Maclea Livingstone ancestors at the time of Jacobite revolts of 1715 and 1745 highland Macleas/Maconleas were ardent Jacobites that is to say supporters of old exiled Stuart family against the Hanover dynasty's claim to the British Throne. In 1745 some of our clan members served with the Stewarts of Appin in the Appin Regiment and the Appin Regiment was at many of the battles in that rebellion at the final Battle of Culloden in April of 1746 when the forces of Bonnie Prince Charlie were defeated by those of King George the Second's son the Duke of Cumberland or Butcher Cumberland as he was remembered for his soldier's inhumane treatment of highland Jacobite prisoners.
regards,
Donald
Yes I could not remember the name. "Grandfather Games." Aren't they the biggest highland games in North America?
It is interesting looking at a map that Richmond/Scotland County, Anson and Montgomery are in close proximity to one another and that they are close to the border with South Carolina. I did not realize that. I guess lots of families of highland scottish descent in these counties.
I am sure you would enjoy your visit to the Isle of Lismore, meeting the Clan Chief and be amazed by the scenery and history in the land of your ancestors. Sounds like a great idea. Did you find the Web site informative? Prior to the 1750's you will find that Clan members are recorded as Macleas or Maconleas as that was our gaelic name. By late 1750's for reasons not entirely certain, the Clan Chief and the entire Clan in western Argyll adopted the english name Livingstone and stopped referring to themselves as Macleas on Maconleas. Our Clan today is however officially recognised as Clan Maclea Livingstone and that is why we refer to ourselves as such and not to be confused with the old aristocratic lowland Stirlingshire family that went by the name Livingston.
Our Clan Maclea Livingstone ancestors at the time of Jacobite revolts of 1715 and 1745 highland Macleas/Maconleas were ardent Jacobites that is to say supporters of old exiled Stuart family against the Hanover dynasty's claim to the British Throne. In 1745 some of our clan members served with the Stewarts of Appin in the Appin Regiment and the Appin Regiment was at many of the battles in that rebellion at the final Battle of Culloden in April of 1746 when the forces of Bonnie Prince Charlie were defeated by those of King George the Second's son the Duke of Cumberland or Butcher Cumberland as he was remembered for his soldier's inhumane treatment of highland Jacobite prisoners.
regards,
Donald
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Greg Livingston
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Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Good morning, Alan. I have been watching this thread and your discussion with Donald.
My own search stalled in PA with my GGGGGF born in 1786 and died during the War of 1812. But, with some persistence and luck I will be able to continue that once I have more time.
My wife and I are working out our plans for a two week trip to Scotland in 2017 which will include a visit to Lismore for 3 or 4 nights. At this point, I am thinking a May trip but need to ensure that it will not be at the same time as two of our granddaughters high school graduations.
If you have not already ordered your kilt there are a few places I would suggest staying away from and others that I would lean toward. There are some kilt makers that are not as trustworthy as others. If you would like, send me an email at commissioner (at) clanlivingstone.com and I will send you that information.
At this time we do not have a Convener (clan tent host) on the eastern side of the country. I have been working the festivals here in Colorado, Suzanne (our Games Coordinator) has been working California and has moved to Washington where she will be continuing, David Livingston has been in Arizona, and Ginger has been in central/western Oregon but their festival has shut down. Suzanne is always looking to work with people in other areas to assist them with what is needed to set up a clan tent.
Donald, the 6 largest games/festivals in North America are Fergus, Pleasanton (Joyce and I were at their 150th this year), Estes Park (we've been there every year for the last 18), Grandfather Mountain, Loon Mountain, and Stone Mountain.
My own search stalled in PA with my GGGGGF born in 1786 and died during the War of 1812. But, with some persistence and luck I will be able to continue that once I have more time.
My wife and I are working out our plans for a two week trip to Scotland in 2017 which will include a visit to Lismore for 3 or 4 nights. At this point, I am thinking a May trip but need to ensure that it will not be at the same time as two of our granddaughters high school graduations.
If you have not already ordered your kilt there are a few places I would suggest staying away from and others that I would lean toward. There are some kilt makers that are not as trustworthy as others. If you would like, send me an email at commissioner (at) clanlivingstone.com and I will send you that information.
At this time we do not have a Convener (clan tent host) on the eastern side of the country. I have been working the festivals here in Colorado, Suzanne (our Games Coordinator) has been working California and has moved to Washington where she will be continuing, David Livingston has been in Arizona, and Ginger has been in central/western Oregon but their festival has shut down. Suzanne is always looking to work with people in other areas to assist them with what is needed to set up a clan tent.
Donald, the 6 largest games/festivals in North America are Fergus, Pleasanton (Joyce and I were at their 150th this year), Estes Park (we've been there every year for the last 18), Grandfather Mountain, Loon Mountain, and Stone Mountain.
Greg Livingston
Clan Commissioner
Ankeny, Iowa, USA
Clan Commissioner
Ankeny, Iowa, USA
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Alan Livingston
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Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Donald,
yes, i think i have read about everything on the website, and find it very interesting. definitely gave me great pride in my heritage. i am waiting on a book to arrive titled "Culloden And The Last Clansman" by James Hunter ( i read the first 2 chapter online), which was recommended to me as it relates the story of the Argyll region's struggles before and after Culloden.
and yes, Scotland County was part of Richmond County until 1899. then Richmond County was part of Anson County until 1779. my house lies about 5 miles from the South Carolina state line, and is only a few miles from a little town called McColl, which brings us back to that Scottish family you have discussed on the forum. yes, we are deeply entrenched in Scottish Heritage around here. the local college in town is St. Andrews Presbyterian College (now University), which was formed in 1961 upon a merger of Flora MacDonald College with Presbyterian Junior College. how's that for enough Scottish references? i am surprised you can't order a McHaggis at the local McDonalds!
there are so many Scots around, that i still follow my late father's filing system, where we ignored the "Mc" or "Mac" before surnames, and file under the next part of the surname. did not want to have five drawers of "M"s.
still going to do some more research around local graveyards and courthouses, and will keep you informed.
Greg,
great to here from you. good luck on that Lismore trip. about ten years ago we spent several days in Scotland, just passing through Oban one day (bought a tweed jacket there), but at the time i knew nearly nothing of my heritage in that region. i would love to go back.
i also plan to join the St Andrews Society of North Carolina, which sounds like a good excuse to wear my kilt another time or two.
Alan
yes, i think i have read about everything on the website, and find it very interesting. definitely gave me great pride in my heritage. i am waiting on a book to arrive titled "Culloden And The Last Clansman" by James Hunter ( i read the first 2 chapter online), which was recommended to me as it relates the story of the Argyll region's struggles before and after Culloden.
and yes, Scotland County was part of Richmond County until 1899. then Richmond County was part of Anson County until 1779. my house lies about 5 miles from the South Carolina state line, and is only a few miles from a little town called McColl, which brings us back to that Scottish family you have discussed on the forum. yes, we are deeply entrenched in Scottish Heritage around here. the local college in town is St. Andrews Presbyterian College (now University), which was formed in 1961 upon a merger of Flora MacDonald College with Presbyterian Junior College. how's that for enough Scottish references? i am surprised you can't order a McHaggis at the local McDonalds!
there are so many Scots around, that i still follow my late father's filing system, where we ignored the "Mc" or "Mac" before surnames, and file under the next part of the surname. did not want to have five drawers of "M"s.
still going to do some more research around local graveyards and courthouses, and will keep you informed.
Greg,
great to here from you. good luck on that Lismore trip. about ten years ago we spent several days in Scotland, just passing through Oban one day (bought a tweed jacket there), but at the time i knew nearly nothing of my heritage in that region. i would love to go back.
i also plan to join the St Andrews Society of North Carolina, which sounds like a good excuse to wear my kilt another time or two.
Alan
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Re: North Carolina Livingstons
Hi Greg,
Thanks for the information on the highland games. Sounds like an exiting trip that you are planning in 2017. I may have another person that has been in touch with me in the past from North Carolina besides Allan, related to a North Carolina Livingston family from a nearby county, no relation to him or Duncan's dna group or Allan's probable Livingston DNA group, but one who I think has expressed an interest in highland games in the past and he may not live very far at all from Allan as it turns out. When is the next Grandfather Games in N.C. I wonder?
regards,
Donald
Thanks for the information on the highland games. Sounds like an exiting trip that you are planning in 2017. I may have another person that has been in touch with me in the past from North Carolina besides Allan, related to a North Carolina Livingston family from a nearby county, no relation to him or Duncan's dna group or Allan's probable Livingston DNA group, but one who I think has expressed an interest in highland games in the past and he may not live very far at all from Allan as it turns out. When is the next Grandfather Games in N.C. I wonder?
regards,
Donald