Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Barry,

Yes that is definitely your Colin and Catharine Livingston and now you know Colin`s wife`s maiden name. More information for your family history project. The daughter Catharine must have been the eldest in the family and we did not know about her. Nice find. Yes the PEI and Cape Breton reference can be explained by the fact that she lived with the family in Cape Breton most of her life and moved with them to PEI in the 1860's before heading off to Massachusetts. Makes sense. Has to be your family. Lucky find. Congratulations. I have listed the two daughters of John Livingston jr. of Mull River and Old Kate, Catharine. born 1846 or 1847 and her sister Mary b.1844 who also went to Massachussetts. Catharine Married Henty Monck and Jewel has located her in Massachusetts in the census records sure enough.

It would be interesting to find out if your Catharine Galileo was a descendant of the Italian astromer Galileo who first discovered with his primitive telescope that Jupiter had moons. I used to be interested in Astronomy in my youth.

Do we know Barry when your ancestor Angus died and his brother John in PEI. Do you have copies of their death records They might also list the name of the parents and have some useful information in them depending on what decade they died in. I seem to recall you could not find a death record for Colin`s wife Catharine or a cemetery record.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Jewel,

Thanks for the Catharine Monck info. Catharine Monck died in 1921 in Massachusetts. It should prove useful to keep track of these Cape Breton and PEI livingstones that ended up in Massachusetts.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Jewel,

Yes Catharine`s mother old Kate was born in PEI as stated in the Mull River Mabou, Cape Breton Census records a descendant of the Nine Mile Creek, Lot 65 Queens County, Livingstons I was told by Dr. St. Clair who is related to old Kate. I dont think that is correct about her father (John Livingston jr. of Mull River ) being born in England. He was born in Kilninian and Kilmore Parish, Mull probably in the village of Penmore either in 1808 or 1800 depending on the source. Interestingly the census records as I indicated in one of my earrlier postings are all over the place as far old Kates birthdate. I believe it was 1807 or 1808 but the dates estimated from the 1871, 1881, 1901 and 1911 census records all seem to disagree which only adds to the confusion. Perhaps she did not like to tell people her real age.

regards,

Donald

[Roberta Ann]

Hi Barry;

I found these Colin's in Sydney County, Cape George and Livingstone Cove. At some time the County was changed to Antigonish County.

John Malcolm Livingstone b. July 9, 1872, Cape George; son of Colin Livingstone and Elizabeth McNamara. John Malcolm died Jan. 21, 1943 in Cape George.

Colin Angus b. Aug. 8, 1872 son of Duncan and Ann Livingstone who were married Feb. 1856. Cape George.

John Colin b. Sept. 11, 1880' mid-wife -McInnis; son of John Livingstone and Rachel Taylor. Brother of George; all of Livingstone Cove.

Colin Livingstone Age 40 of Cape George and son of Allan and Ann Livingstone, Catholic; married Elizabeth McNamara age 27, Aug. 3, 1871, daughter of Thomas McNamara.

There could be more.......Colin's I mean.

Regards;

Roberta

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Mary Anne,

I understand you are descended from John Livingston Jr. and Old Kate's son Duncan. John Livingston Jr. and Old Kate would be your great-great grandparents and John Livingston Sr. b.1776 d. 1840? Mull RIver buried Mabou Cemetery and Catharine Campbell born 1780 would be your Great-great-great-great grandparents. In our version of this family John and Catharine of Penmore, Kilninian and Kilmore, Mull had four sons John 1808 Alexander 1814, Colin 1818, Donald whom we have no idea what happened to and a few daughters. The family left Kilninian and Kilmore in 1821 arriving apparently in Pictou, Nova Scotia. By 1824 we know that they were squatters at Mull River S.E Mabou and took up settlement there.

Subsequent records for Mull River and Whycocomagh identify three Livingston families in the Mull RIver and Whycocomagh area which correspond to the 3 of the 4 sons of John Livingston and Catharine Campbell of Penmore Mull. At Mull River there is your ancestor John Livingston Junior born abt. 1800 who seems to be there son said to have ben baptised in 1808 died between 1855 and 1860 and whom was married to your ancestor Old Kate Catharine Livingston 1808-1812 of the Nine Mile Creek, Lot 65 PEi Livingston family. At neighbouring Whycocomagh I have located JOhn and Catharine' s next son Alexander born 1814 and with great difficulty we have most recently confimed that Colin Livingston a third son born in 1818 is also a resident in Whycocomagh circa 1860.

The oldest in the family JOhn married to Old Kate your ancestor died sometime between 1855 and 1860 it is safe to say and Old Kate, Kitty or Catharine Livngston appears as the head householder of her family over next decades until her death in 1912. ONly one son Donald from the Penmore, Mull John Livingston and Catharine Campbell I have located and presume he either died before 1860 or settled elsewhere before 1860. Our Maclea Livingstone Society research I think suggests that your Mull River and the neighbouring Whycocomagh Livingstons are Kin which I realize is at odds with the established Mabou research and theories. We have I think carefully located and studied all the records to reach this conclusion.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Mary Anne,

Yes we were talking about a Whycocomagh, Cape Breton Livingston that went to PEI and then settled in Masachussetts and I then mentioned that John and Old Kate's daughter Catharine born 1850 was maried to a Thomas Monck and lived in Massachussets as well where she died in 1921. Yes that would your ancestor Duncan's sister. Duncan was the miner that was at New Glasgow or something like that. I remember discussing him.

regards,

Donald

[Livingstone_PEI]

Hi Donald

I'm afraid death certificates from that era are not available and all there really is is church records. I will still keep digging. I do have Colin's son John's obituary, and our family has an original, but there is no mention of his parents in it.

I was at the archives today and the microfilm from Ottawa came in for me for the 1861 census, so I had a look. I did notice a Livingstone that you didn't see, boy was some of it hard to read. There was a Malcolm Livingston in poll 4; abstract 2. Is this Malcolm already documented in later censuses?

I also noticed what looked like a McLea. It was a John McLea in poll 4; abstract 1. Sometimes the N in McLean is missed so I'm not sure if it is an actual McLea, but there was no sign of the N, so sure looked legit.

Donald you may want to have another look at the census. I did see the Colin Livingston entry, but it looked more like a Collan or Allan to me, but I'm betting it is my Colin. Colin's wife's maiden name was Gilleo in the death certificate, but I'm betting this was a miss print and it is really Gillis. My Mom said they are related to Gillis' but she can't recall how. I'm betting they were told they were related as children, but were never told how. She knows that she had Gillis relations not far from her home and maybe Colin's wife's family moved to PEI at the same time as they did and that is the attraction to PEI. I will have to research this more.

Barry

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Barry,

I would have to agree with the Cape Breton Historical Society that it was Colleen (Colin) Livingstone. I have spent a good chunk of my life reading smudged, poorly written, out of focus documents till my eyes were sore and I would say it was Colleen. The sad fact is it is already been published that there was no Colin Livingston at Whycocomagh many years ago I realize but I just thought that we should go the extra mile for you and take a fresh look which I tried to do with your research in an effort to reach the truth about Colin of Whycocomagh. Colin Livington's 1867 Obituary clearly stated that he was a former resident of Whycocomagh and as the land record you recently located indicated that he purchased land in PEI not before 1865 I think finding Colin Livingston at Whycocomagh in 1860/1861 in the Nova Scotia Cenus makes sense.

I looked for Malcolm but I must have missed him. He should be in the 1861 Census as he I found him in the 1871 Census at Port Hood. 1871 is the last census that old Malcolm son of John Livingston of Judique and Port Hood and his wife Isabel McMacdonald is in.There is bit of mish mash of Port Hood Livingstons and Mabou Livingstons which is confusing in the 1861 Census but I was really just interested in finding Colleen and Alexander at Whycocomagh in any event. I almost missed Colleen.

I thought I saw McLea as well but I was not sure if it was Maclea or Maclean. I think it might have been McLea.
regards,

DOnald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Roberta,

Just so you will know. Dr. St. Clair told me that some census records list the farm as being in Glencoe District for some of the those old Kate of Mull RIver Census records after 1861 in Inverness County but she and her family were actually censused at the family home at S.E. Mabou Mull River. It is confusing I know.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Roberta,

Those old Antigonish County Cape George, Livingston Cove etc records pretty much all relate to the family of old Malcolm Livingston.

regards,

Donald