Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Jewel,

That last record for a Janet Livingston daugther of Allan Livingston refers to the ALlan Livingston son of pioneer Malcolm Livingston who settled at Pictou County in the 1790's and later Antigonish County, Livingstone Cove, Cape George by the early 1800's.
I think was Robert or you that recently located death records for that Allan and his brother John of Cape George. Allan and John were born in Ardgour in Argyllshire and would assume then old Malcolm lived there in the late 1700's but whether he was born there is another matter. Ardgour is across from Duror and Ballachulish. We have a couple of people in the DNA project whose ancestors lived around the Ballachulish and Duror area.
regards,

Donald

[Roberta Ann]

Hi Barry;

John Livingstone...........b.c. 1800...died abt. 1860

father: John Livingstone
Mother: Catherine Campbell

Marriage: Kate Livingstone

Children:
Duncan b. 1841
Mary b.1841 d. 1921
John b. 1847 d. 1904
Catherine 1847
Jane 1849 d. 1940
Hugh b. 1851 d. 1943
Flora b. 1853 d. 1922
Ann b. 1855 d. 1920 Mull Genealogy-----Source Mary Ann

I believe Duncan was born on PEI. I think we can assume that John and Kate were married on PEI.


Then there is this: Mary Livingstone b. N.S. 1834 d. Oct. 7, 1921, age 87 years 4 months 22 days, Mull River. Daughter of John Livingstone and Catherine Livingstone, both born in Scotland. Informant: Dougall Adams, brother-in-law. Buried Hillsboro.

Then there is this: Dougall Malcolm Adams married Flora Livingstone Oct. 25,1878. Dougall of Mull River born Dec. 25, 1856 died May 23, 1925, widower; son of James Adams and Catherine Livingstone both born N.S. Informant: James Adams, Mull River. Buried Hillsboro.

Then there is this: Catherine Jane Adams b. Mar. 17, 1849 died May 7, 1940; widow age 91. Wife of James Adams. Daughter of John Livingstone of Hillsboro and Catherine Livingstone of Murray Harbour PEI. Informant: John J. Adams, son. Buried Hillsboro.


Regards;

Roberta

[Kyle MacLea]

Mary Ann is maryanne here on the Forum.

I'll email her this thread.

Kyle=

[Livingstone_PEI]

Hi There

Thanks for the info, but I just wanted to clarify where you found that Old Kate is from Murray River, if that is what the last entry says. That would be someowhat earth shattering if it were so. Kate has always been reported to be from Nine Mile Creek. The Livingstons in Murray River were Colonsay Livingstons. The Livingstons in Nine Mile Creek were Mull Livingstons. Murray River is no wheres near Nine Mile Creek. Where did you find that information? I have contacts doing Murray River Livingston research and I will ask them if they no anything, if that is what that is saying.

Barry

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Roberta and Barry,

Regarding the PEI connection with the Mull River Livingstons Old Kate as that death records indicates was in fact born in PEI and that is what the census records are telling us. INteresting that that death record for her daughter gives us a location in PEI where Old Kate apparently was born or came from. Dr. St. Clair believed Old Kate Livingston (her married and maiden name were Livingston) was from the Nine Mile Creek family of Donald and Mary Livingston Lot 65, QUeens County, PEI. I never saw any records to support that so perhaps it was what the family had told him. In any event that death record supports the notion as does the census records that old Kate of Mull River was a native of PEi. Regarding her family where in the 1871 Census we can get a good notion of her children she had with John Livingston Jr. whom died before that 1860/1861 possibly as early as 1855 as some have suggested. I get the sense there all just estimates as no official record seem to exist for his actual death date. Sometimes I just state John Livingston Jr. of Livingston Mountain, Mull RIver, S.E Mabou died between 1855 and 1860.
I have seen as I mentioned the 1871 Census for Mabou and found quite helpful in terms of a study of the children of John and old Kate. While old Kate or Catharine Livingston as she is known is recorded in this and subsequent census records as being born in PEi, I believe the children of John and Kate were born in Nova Scotia. I will check that again but I think all the children including Duncan b. 1841 are listed as in born in Nova Scotia as I recall.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Barry,

Regarding Old Kate's birthdate the cemetery stone has 1808 or 1807 on it but the Census records are all over the place with her age so it just went with 1807 or 1808. Wasnt she 104 or 105 at the time of her death? Something like that. When I was faced with that I stuck with 1807 or 1808 as probably being the most accurate but again there is not likely an official birth record for her around anywhere. This kind of thing happened to me before in researching my Mom's family where I would find my great-great grandfather seemed to deliberately not the census taker his correct age.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

HI Roberta,

1861 Census for Mabou does not give us details regarding Old Kate's family it just tells us that there is a Kitty and Catharine Livingston residing there in Mabou as separate householders. One of them could be old Kates mother in law but I have no proof of that. Colin Livingston and his family were at Whycocommagh so it could not likely be his wife Catharine as the second Catharine in Mabou in 1861.

I have the information from the 1871 Census which is a little more helpful:

1871 Census Inverness County, Cape Breton Mabou Division 3 pg.29-30
Catharine Livingston widow age 59 b.PEI
Mary age 27 b.NS
Catharine age 25 b.NS
Flora age 18 b.NS
Ann age 16 b.NS
Duncan age 30 b. NS
John age 25 b. NS
Hugh Livingston age 20 b.NS Farmer

Her son Hugh was the last of her family on the farm at Livingson Mountain, Mull River Dr. St. Clair told me.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Barry and Roberta,

Aha. So the informant MR. Adams, old Kates son in law is stating that she was born at Murray RIver instead of Nine mIle Creek PEI. That is an interesting development. Well this Cape Breton family history never stops getting challenging. So in a nutshell we have Dr. St. Clair information from his family in Mabou that she was from the Nine Mile Creek, Lot 65 Queens County Livingston family and the son in law of old Kate stating she actually came from Murray River. What do we know about the Murray River, PEI family? I think we have something. I will check if I have anything. See what you have.

regards,

Donald

[Roberta Ann]

Hi Barry;

Ah, the clams are better at Murray Harbour, anyway. Well I found her death certificate on the Nova Scotia site, Barry. The informant on the certificate was filled-out by her son, John James who married at age 34 Harriet Jane Grant Murray age 30--a telephone operator-- on Sept. 28, 1921. They were married at the Presbyterian Manse in Mabou. Harriet was the daughter of Lewis Murray and Anabel McLeod. Witnesses: Gordon Smith, Hillsboro and Bessie Murray of Port Richmond.

Regards;

Roberta

[Roberta Ann]

Hi again Barry; Roberta here..

Well I found Donald Livingston and Ann Wheeler with children born Murray Harbour. Hilda b. July 20, 1862, Mary b. June 17, 1855, Sarah b. Dec. 6, 1857, Mary b. June 17, 1855

William James and Matilda MacLeod, Murray Harbour, with children William James b. March 15, 1869.

Duncan and Ann McLean, Murray River, Christy Margaret b. April 17, 1872.

Samuel Livingstone and Mary Horton, Murray River, Flora Isabella b. Aug. 29, 1882,

Barry I can continue, however, I need to know if Murray Harbour and Murray River are the same place.

I noticed that these dates signify, to me, that Murray Harbour was developed later than Nine Mile Creek. So maybe that is where John and Catherine were married rather than where Catherine was born. Ok, I see Murray River is 5 miles West of Murray Harbour.

Regards;

Roberta