Hi Donald/Barry,
Around the West of Scotland even now, Liviston is not an unusual pronounciation of Livingstone, maybe this was where some of the various spellings of the name came from, who knows, given the normal level of education even 100 years ago,
John
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Hi John,
One of the rules of genealogy I guess. Always be on the lookout for alternative spellings of your ancestor's family name than the one you are familiar with. I would agree with the Barry and the other PEI researchers that Liviston was likely rooted in the name Livingston but it interesting in this case that in more than more one document from an entirely different souce for this John Liviston we see it spelt as Liviston. This suggests to me that this spelling might be a spelling preference of John Liviston and not the whim of whoever was filling in the document. Then again I suppose that John Liviston's family could have been renegades who decided to spelling Livingston as Liviston because they personally preferred the spelling. I do see Levingston the odd time. I am descended from highland Livingstons on my father's side and lowland Livingstons on my mothers oddly enough. My Lowland Livingstons often spelt their name as Levingston or the census taker. I am not certain which. Also my highland Livingston ancestor according to his marriage reccord married a Livingston so I have a lot of Livingston connections with one family or another.
regards,
Donald
One of the rules of genealogy I guess. Always be on the lookout for alternative spellings of your ancestor's family name than the one you are familiar with. I would agree with the Barry and the other PEI researchers that Liviston was likely rooted in the name Livingston but it interesting in this case that in more than more one document from an entirely different souce for this John Liviston we see it spelt as Liviston. This suggests to me that this spelling might be a spelling preference of John Liviston and not the whim of whoever was filling in the document. Then again I suppose that John Liviston's family could have been renegades who decided to spelling Livingston as Liviston because they personally preferred the spelling. I do see Levingston the odd time. I am descended from highland Livingstons on my father's side and lowland Livingstons on my mothers oddly enough. My Lowland Livingstons often spelt their name as Levingston or the census taker. I am not certain which. Also my highland Livingston ancestor according to his marriage reccord married a Livingston so I have a lot of Livingston connections with one family or another.
regards,
Donald
Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Barry,
Took a look in the census for Maine to see if there were any Livingstone's . In the 1820 census for Maine there was a John Levingston in County York, town of Hollis,Maine
1 male age 0-9,1 male age 26-44, 1 female age 16-25 and 1 female age 26-44.
In the 1870 census for county Westchestor,Eastchester,New York.
Malcolm Livingston age 42, b. 1816 Maine, Sea Captain, parents born Scotland
Hannah ,33, b. N.Y.
William, 12,b. N.Y.
Richard, 6 b. ?
Hannah, 4, b. N.Y.
Malcolm 1, b. N.Y.
1880 same area as above.
Malcolm Livingston 61, b. Maine Sailing Master parents born Scotland
Hannah wife, b. N.Y.
Richard,15,b. N.Y.
Hannah,13 b. N.Y.
Malcolm 11, b. N.Y.
Flora, 9,b.N.Y.
David 6, b.N.Y.
Mary J. 4, b. N.Y.
Nothing further found for Malcolm after the 1880 census.
Did also see a John Livingston b. 1848 Nova Scotia living in Maine Cumberland County. age 22 a boarder working on the R.R., 1870 census.
Duncan Livingston age 36, b. 1814,Nova Scotia, living in Pembroke Washington,Maine. 1850 census.
Jewel
Took a look in the census for Maine to see if there were any Livingstone's . In the 1820 census for Maine there was a John Levingston in County York, town of Hollis,Maine
1 male age 0-9,1 male age 26-44, 1 female age 16-25 and 1 female age 26-44.
In the 1870 census for county Westchestor,Eastchester,New York.
Malcolm Livingston age 42, b. 1816 Maine, Sea Captain, parents born Scotland
Hannah ,33, b. N.Y.
William, 12,b. N.Y.
Richard, 6 b. ?
Hannah, 4, b. N.Y.
Malcolm 1, b. N.Y.
1880 same area as above.
Malcolm Livingston 61, b. Maine Sailing Master parents born Scotland
Hannah wife, b. N.Y.
Richard,15,b. N.Y.
Hannah,13 b. N.Y.
Malcolm 11, b. N.Y.
Flora, 9,b.N.Y.
David 6, b.N.Y.
Mary J. 4, b. N.Y.
Nothing further found for Malcolm after the 1880 census.
Did also see a John Livingston b. 1848 Nova Scotia living in Maine Cumberland County. age 22 a boarder working on the R.R., 1870 census.
Duncan Livingston age 36, b. 1814,Nova Scotia, living in Pembroke Washington,Maine. 1850 census.
Jewel
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According to this entry about John's son Malcolm, John and his wife were of highland descent.
http://books.google.com/books?id=qmRIAA ... 22&f=false
The different spelling has me somewhat confused, but spelling variations seem to be quite common. I can confirm the Malcolm in the above link, is indeed the son of lot 53 John, from the obituary of his daughter at the PEI archives and census documents while he was living in Salem Massachusetts. They must have lived in Maine when Malcolm was born. Can anyone check the birth records from Fort William to see if they can see who his father was?
http://books.google.com/books?id=qmRIAA ... 22&f=false
The different spelling has me somewhat confused, but spelling variations seem to be quite common. I can confirm the Malcolm in the above link, is indeed the son of lot 53 John, from the obituary of his daughter at the PEI archives and census documents while he was living in Salem Massachusetts. They must have lived in Maine when Malcolm was born. Can anyone check the birth records from Fort William to see if they can see who his father was?
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Hi Barry,
I understand that you see the Johns as two different people but there is some information from that old lodge record from the 1800's you found regarding Malcolm of Maine and his parents that suggests that some of early Livingstone researchers had some of the information mixed up. Too many John Livingstons perhaps. I am going to look into this. It is extra tricky when an error get published and then becomes basically an established fact. I think I need to explain what has happened in the past based on t hat old lodge record for Malcolm whihc mentions his parents John Livington of Fort William and Sarah Campbell.
Ok if you follow this we have at least two or three different John Livingstons happeniing here which has created some confusion then over the years. So lets to try to sort them out then and try to establish who is who. (Well there were actually more John Livingstons but just to keep things simple lets sort out the Judique Cape Breton one married to Isabella McDonald from the Lot 53, PEI one married to Sarah Campbell.) This may not be confusing everyone I realize but there is some info regarding the two John's that indicates that in the past early researchers may have confused them and I want to sort this out.
1.John Livingston arrived 1806 settled at Judique,Inverness County, Cape Breton married Isabella McDonald also of Judique area. Had son Malcolm who remained in the Judique area and vicinity and in the Cape Breton Census. John has been referred to as being born in FOrt William and having a son Malcolm but clearly if that information you have is correct then this is one is not the John Livingston of Fort William married to Sarah Campbell who had a son Malcolm who went to Maine. So we need to make it clear to the decendants of John and Isabella that the John Livingston from Fort William who had a son Malcolm was not as was originally thought the John Livingston who settled at Judique Inverness County. Your information is great because it proves that wrong. So if you follow me there are two John Livingstons in the early 1800's with sons named Malcolm.
2. Your latest discovery an old lodge record indicates the John Livingston from Fort William Argyll is infact the John Livingston who resided on Lot 53, King or QUeens County PEI with his wife Sarah who your information states was Sarah Campbell. HIs son Malcolm Livingston of Port Hood near Judique in the 19th century Cape Breton Census records is not the Malcolm Livingston who lived in Judique Cape Breton in the mid to late 1800's then but the PEI Malcolm who later went to Maine. This is the main thing I want to make clear to everything. The Judique Port Hood Cape Breton Malcolm Livington died between 1871 and 1881 at Port Hood and had family at Port Hood.
3. John Liviston of PEI before 1803. Land to Cameron. Ok he received a military grant. Could be the John Liviston from County Down Ireland that first probably arrived at a Port in NOva Scotia and subsequently receiced a military land grant in PEI. Or could the Fort William John Livingston be the actual one who received the Military land grant in PEI as I think Barry is suggesting. Did the Fort William John Livingston arrive in 1803 or before?
Most important to me is that out of this old U.S. lodge info Barry found is that beyond the question of whether the John Livingston and Sarah Campbell of Fort William Argyll received a military land grant in 1803 or before, Barry;s new information on John Livingston of Fort William clearly proves that the John Livingston of Fort William who arrived in the early 1800's is not the John Livingston who was married to Isabella McDonald and settled at Judique Inverness County, Cape Breton and who had a farmer son Malcolm at Port Hood near Judique. I have always believed this JOhn to be of Mull origin and some sort of relation to Roberta and Jewel's ancestor John Livingston of Low Point, Cape Breton also apparently of Mull ( he named his property in Cape Breton (Staffa) after a scenic island in the Mull area.
So I cant say for certain that the John Livingston of Fort William and wife Sarah Campbell who had a son Malcolm who settled in Maine and who lived at Lot 53 are not connected to a PEI Military grant. It is possible but if he is just then not the same John Liviston of County, DOwn in the other military records Barry has.
1.What Barry's newly discovered info from an old lodge record book is essentially telling us is thatJohn Livingston of Fort William was actually the John Livingston who was married to Sarah Campbell was an early "PEI" settler who established his family on Lot 53. He had a son Malcolm a sailor who went to Maine. He is not as has been stated in the past the John Livingston who was a pioneer in Inverness County Cape Breton in the early 1800;s and who married Isabella McDonald and who settled at Judique, Inverness County, Cape Breton. His son Malcolm Livingston born abt 1803 can be found living with his family at Port Hood near Judique in the 1871 Cape Breton Census. He apparently died sometime between 1871 and 1881.
I am going to update my info of John Livingston of Fort William as a PEI Livingston and not the Cape Breton Livingston then if this turns out to be correct. I would like to show Barry's old U.S.lodge info to Dr. St. Clair the historian of Cape Breton at some point. It seems old and quite accurate. Although this old Lodge record does not mention Prince Edward Island island this does appear to like be the John Livingston and Sarah, Barry found info on before connecting to lot 53, Kings or QUeens County PEI.
I think that if the John Liviston received a military grant it should be clearly marked on the grant that it was a military grant as in Upper Canada at that time. The fact that John Liviston is referred to as a farmer and no mention made of him being a former soldier also suggests it may not be a military grant. If any doubt however you could consult with the archivist as whether this was a military grant. ANy early military grant I have seen in the Upper Canada records for that time clearly indicated the grantee was intitled because he had served in a British regiment or loyalist regiment of some sort. To my way of thinking it should have been clearly indicated as a military grant if it is.There would also have been other former soldiers receiving land adjacent to his if it was a military grant so the archivist would probably be clued into that and would probably know if it was or wasnt. Maybe was system was different in Upper Canada. I dont know about early PEI land grants and how land grants and the documents were organized but the archivist probably might. I am sure someone at the PEi archives can help us on this one.
regards,
Donald
I understand that you see the Johns as two different people but there is some information from that old lodge record from the 1800's you found regarding Malcolm of Maine and his parents that suggests that some of early Livingstone researchers had some of the information mixed up. Too many John Livingstons perhaps. I am going to look into this. It is extra tricky when an error get published and then becomes basically an established fact. I think I need to explain what has happened in the past based on t hat old lodge record for Malcolm whihc mentions his parents John Livington of Fort William and Sarah Campbell.
Ok if you follow this we have at least two or three different John Livingstons happeniing here which has created some confusion then over the years. So lets to try to sort them out then and try to establish who is who. (Well there were actually more John Livingstons but just to keep things simple lets sort out the Judique Cape Breton one married to Isabella McDonald from the Lot 53, PEI one married to Sarah Campbell.) This may not be confusing everyone I realize but there is some info regarding the two John's that indicates that in the past early researchers may have confused them and I want to sort this out.
1.John Livingston arrived 1806 settled at Judique,Inverness County, Cape Breton married Isabella McDonald also of Judique area. Had son Malcolm who remained in the Judique area and vicinity and in the Cape Breton Census. John has been referred to as being born in FOrt William and having a son Malcolm but clearly if that information you have is correct then this is one is not the John Livingston of Fort William married to Sarah Campbell who had a son Malcolm who went to Maine. So we need to make it clear to the decendants of John and Isabella that the John Livingston from Fort William who had a son Malcolm was not as was originally thought the John Livingston who settled at Judique Inverness County. Your information is great because it proves that wrong. So if you follow me there are two John Livingstons in the early 1800's with sons named Malcolm.
2. Your latest discovery an old lodge record indicates the John Livingston from Fort William Argyll is infact the John Livingston who resided on Lot 53, King or QUeens County PEI with his wife Sarah who your information states was Sarah Campbell. HIs son Malcolm Livingston of Port Hood near Judique in the 19th century Cape Breton Census records is not the Malcolm Livingston who lived in Judique Cape Breton in the mid to late 1800's then but the PEI Malcolm who later went to Maine. This is the main thing I want to make clear to everything. The Judique Port Hood Cape Breton Malcolm Livington died between 1871 and 1881 at Port Hood and had family at Port Hood.
3. John Liviston of PEI before 1803. Land to Cameron. Ok he received a military grant. Could be the John Liviston from County Down Ireland that first probably arrived at a Port in NOva Scotia and subsequently receiced a military land grant in PEI. Or could the Fort William John Livingston be the actual one who received the Military land grant in PEI as I think Barry is suggesting. Did the Fort William John Livingston arrive in 1803 or before?
Most important to me is that out of this old U.S. lodge info Barry found is that beyond the question of whether the John Livingston and Sarah Campbell of Fort William Argyll received a military land grant in 1803 or before, Barry;s new information on John Livingston of Fort William clearly proves that the John Livingston of Fort William who arrived in the early 1800's is not the John Livingston who was married to Isabella McDonald and settled at Judique Inverness County, Cape Breton and who had a farmer son Malcolm at Port Hood near Judique. I have always believed this JOhn to be of Mull origin and some sort of relation to Roberta and Jewel's ancestor John Livingston of Low Point, Cape Breton also apparently of Mull ( he named his property in Cape Breton (Staffa) after a scenic island in the Mull area.
So I cant say for certain that the John Livingston of Fort William and wife Sarah Campbell who had a son Malcolm who settled in Maine and who lived at Lot 53 are not connected to a PEI Military grant. It is possible but if he is just then not the same John Liviston of County, DOwn in the other military records Barry has.
1.What Barry's newly discovered info from an old lodge record book is essentially telling us is thatJohn Livingston of Fort William was actually the John Livingston who was married to Sarah Campbell was an early "PEI" settler who established his family on Lot 53. He had a son Malcolm a sailor who went to Maine. He is not as has been stated in the past the John Livingston who was a pioneer in Inverness County Cape Breton in the early 1800;s and who married Isabella McDonald and who settled at Judique, Inverness County, Cape Breton. His son Malcolm Livingston born abt 1803 can be found living with his family at Port Hood near Judique in the 1871 Cape Breton Census. He apparently died sometime between 1871 and 1881.
I am going to update my info of John Livingston of Fort William as a PEI Livingston and not the Cape Breton Livingston then if this turns out to be correct. I would like to show Barry's old U.S.lodge info to Dr. St. Clair the historian of Cape Breton at some point. It seems old and quite accurate. Although this old Lodge record does not mention Prince Edward Island island this does appear to like be the John Livingston and Sarah, Barry found info on before connecting to lot 53, Kings or QUeens County PEI.
I think that if the John Liviston received a military grant it should be clearly marked on the grant that it was a military grant as in Upper Canada at that time. The fact that John Liviston is referred to as a farmer and no mention made of him being a former soldier also suggests it may not be a military grant. If any doubt however you could consult with the archivist as whether this was a military grant. ANy early military grant I have seen in the Upper Canada records for that time clearly indicated the grantee was intitled because he had served in a British regiment or loyalist regiment of some sort. To my way of thinking it should have been clearly indicated as a military grant if it is.There would also have been other former soldiers receiving land adjacent to his if it was a military grant so the archivist would probably be clued into that and would probably know if it was or wasnt. Maybe was system was different in Upper Canada. I dont know about early PEI land grants and how land grants and the documents were organized but the archivist probably might. I am sure someone at the PEi archives can help us on this one.
regards,
Donald
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Donald
I know, all these John Livingstone's is quite confusing. This really has nothinng to do with my own family of Colin Livingstone, but is intriguing at the least.
Starting in the beginninng we have a land grant in 1803 where John Livingston (note spelling) in the land conveyance document received a Georgetown town property and also a pasture property outside of Georgetown. The property in the town was very small and the other property is where he had any livestock.
In 1806 I have small document, one page, where John Livngston of Three Rivers, which is where Gorgetown is, sold for 7 pounds, what looks like his property in Georgetown. Without a property number this is just a guess, but what are the odds of two John Livingstons in Georgetown at the time. As you can see the writing is very poor. This was witnessed by Allan and Donald Cameron.
I have attached the files. I hope they are readable.
This led me on a hunt for this family. I have found a will for a Sarah Livingston in lot 54, which is right across the Cardigan River from Georgetown. You can see Georgetown Royalty from the farm Sarah Livingstone owned across the river. She gave her property to her son Malcolm and her grandson Joseph. I found other documents that gave me the name of Sarah's husband, John, in the archives
I found an obituary in the archives where Captain Malcolm Livingstone of Cardigan River had a daughter die at the age of 2 years while living in Salem Massachusetts.
I found in the US census Malcolm living in Salem before his daughter died and found the first name for his wife there too. He had one other son at the time and he was an infant. I apoligise for know dates on this, but I have misplaced the scribbler I had this in.
I found documents where Malcolm left PEI and gave power of attorney to his lawyer and he moved "abroad".
Joseph Livingstone, a ships carpenter, is well documented in the PEI census and I have found a number of properties on maps for this family. He had a very large family.
The origin of Malcolm's father John was always a mystery till I found the entry in the book on Google. We now know that John was from Fort William and his mother from Southnist W. Islands.
Just the fact that this John originated in Fort William sent alarm bells off and the questions this brought up were never ending. I don't know if he was married in 1803. Is there marriage records in Scotland for that period?
Why is it that all Livingstone's here on PEI end in mystery and unanswered questions.
I will have to send the documents later. I took pictures of them,but only got one uploaded, the battery in my camera died. I will attach the other to this after my battery charges a bit. If you have any questions about this let me know and I will check through my notes to see if I can add detail. The notes in my previous post about the military connection is just a hunch, but I cannot find any conclusive documentation to support my hunch.
Barry
I know, all these John Livingstone's is quite confusing. This really has nothinng to do with my own family of Colin Livingstone, but is intriguing at the least.
Starting in the beginninng we have a land grant in 1803 where John Livingston (note spelling) in the land conveyance document received a Georgetown town property and also a pasture property outside of Georgetown. The property in the town was very small and the other property is where he had any livestock.
In 1806 I have small document, one page, where John Livngston of Three Rivers, which is where Gorgetown is, sold for 7 pounds, what looks like his property in Georgetown. Without a property number this is just a guess, but what are the odds of two John Livingstons in Georgetown at the time. As you can see the writing is very poor. This was witnessed by Allan and Donald Cameron.
I have attached the files. I hope they are readable.
This led me on a hunt for this family. I have found a will for a Sarah Livingston in lot 54, which is right across the Cardigan River from Georgetown. You can see Georgetown Royalty from the farm Sarah Livingstone owned across the river. She gave her property to her son Malcolm and her grandson Joseph. I found other documents that gave me the name of Sarah's husband, John, in the archives
I found an obituary in the archives where Captain Malcolm Livingstone of Cardigan River had a daughter die at the age of 2 years while living in Salem Massachusetts.
I found in the US census Malcolm living in Salem before his daughter died and found the first name for his wife there too. He had one other son at the time and he was an infant. I apoligise for know dates on this, but I have misplaced the scribbler I had this in.
I found documents where Malcolm left PEI and gave power of attorney to his lawyer and he moved "abroad".
Joseph Livingstone, a ships carpenter, is well documented in the PEI census and I have found a number of properties on maps for this family. He had a very large family.
The origin of Malcolm's father John was always a mystery till I found the entry in the book on Google. We now know that John was from Fort William and his mother from Southnist W. Islands.
Just the fact that this John originated in Fort William sent alarm bells off and the questions this brought up were never ending. I don't know if he was married in 1803. Is there marriage records in Scotland for that period?
Why is it that all Livingstone's here on PEI end in mystery and unanswered questions.
I will have to send the documents later. I took pictures of them,but only got one uploaded, the battery in my camera died. I will attach the other to this after my battery charges a bit. If you have any questions about this let me know and I will check through my notes to see if I can add detail. The notes in my previous post about the military connection is just a hunch, but I cannot find any conclusive documentation to support my hunch.
Barry
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Barry,
Ok I am tenatively updating my info:
I am of the oppinion they werent both of Fort William and the mixup is likely due to the fact that both John Livingstons in the records were known to have sons oddly enough named Malcolm and someone a long time ago got mixed up. I could be wrong but it seem easy enough for someone to mix the two up given they both are connected to the date 1803 and both had sons named Malcolm. ALso a descendant of John Livingston and Isabella McDonald is a very very close match to another Cape Breton Livingston family with likely Mull origins.
John Livingston of Fort William and Sarah Campbell of 1803 Lot 53 King or QUeens County, PEI
John appears to have worked and resided with Sarah in both PEI and Maine where son Malcolm was born in 1814
Sons: Malcolm born 1814 in Maine mariner by occupation, Alexander farmer on Lot 54, Kings County PEI
grandson: Joseph circa 1901 census residing in Lot 53.
John Livingston of Mull? and Isabella McDonald 1803 Judique, Inverness County, Cape Breton
Son: Malcolm b.1803 farmer at nearby Port Hood, Inverness County
In the case of the old lodge record stating Malcolm of Maines father was John Livingston of Fort william I think we can trust the source as coming from the family in the 1800's or early 1900's this time and not from second or third later accounts. This I think encourages me to believe that this very likely an accurate account from Malcolm or imediate family which I take as very likely accurate. You see where I am going. It would so easy for someone long ago to have mixed the two John LIvingstons one from PEI 1803 and one from Cape Breton both with some oddly enough named Malcolm as being the same people and both from Fort William. I very much doubt they are both from Fort William if you follow my drift. I am not a gambling man but I would say the probability that both John Livingstones were from Fort William is highly unlikely.
regarding,
Donald
Ok I am tenatively updating my info:
I am of the oppinion they werent both of Fort William and the mixup is likely due to the fact that both John Livingstons in the records were known to have sons oddly enough named Malcolm and someone a long time ago got mixed up. I could be wrong but it seem easy enough for someone to mix the two up given they both are connected to the date 1803 and both had sons named Malcolm. ALso a descendant of John Livingston and Isabella McDonald is a very very close match to another Cape Breton Livingston family with likely Mull origins.
John Livingston of Fort William and Sarah Campbell of 1803 Lot 53 King or QUeens County, PEI
John appears to have worked and resided with Sarah in both PEI and Maine where son Malcolm was born in 1814
Sons: Malcolm born 1814 in Maine mariner by occupation, Alexander farmer on Lot 54, Kings County PEI
grandson: Joseph circa 1901 census residing in Lot 53.
John Livingston of Mull? and Isabella McDonald 1803 Judique, Inverness County, Cape Breton
Son: Malcolm b.1803 farmer at nearby Port Hood, Inverness County
In the case of the old lodge record stating Malcolm of Maines father was John Livingston of Fort william I think we can trust the source as coming from the family in the 1800's or early 1900's this time and not from second or third later accounts. This I think encourages me to believe that this very likely an accurate account from Malcolm or imediate family which I take as very likely accurate. You see where I am going. It would so easy for someone long ago to have mixed the two John LIvingstons one from PEI 1803 and one from Cape Breton both with some oddly enough named Malcolm as being the same people and both from Fort William. I very much doubt they are both from Fort William if you follow my drift. I am not a gambling man but I would say the probability that both John Livingstones were from Fort William is highly unlikely.
regarding,
Donald
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
I found my scribbler.
Malcolm's daughter Sarah Ann Livingston died at Salem, Mass. April 1851.
Sarah's will is dated Sept. 1853
I'm not sure where I got some of this.
Malcolm married Mary Newport June 18th, 1857 in Salem, Mass.
In 1855 Malcolm lived in Salem, 6 Walnut St.
Malcolm's daughter Sarah Ann Livingston died at Salem, Mass. April 1851.
Sarah's will is dated Sept. 1853
I'm not sure where I got some of this.
Malcolm married Mary Newport June 18th, 1857 in Salem, Mass.
In 1855 Malcolm lived in Salem, 6 Walnut St.
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Ok...now we have that straightened out. Now on to finding John and Sarah in Scotland. I have been looking, but so far have not found anthing, but still looking. I started a database of everything I had quite awhile ago too. I was hoping to be able to query names and birthdates to come up with possible matches, but never got it finished. I will get it done sometime. It might be a way to somewhat straighten out all of the Johns and Catherines if we can find matches.
Barry
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HI Barry,
THe John Liviston thing is just too speculative and uncertain for me at the moment but we can establish the certainty of "John Livingston" circa 1803 Lot 53, PEI in the PEI records who we now know was married to Sarah "Campbell". That old lodge info in addition to the fact that Malcolm Livingston joined the lodge of Salem I guess it is in 1857 tells us quite a bit more about his family. Regretably it does not mention PEI however but I agree with you that this seems to be the John and Sarah Livingston of Lot 53. It has to be. How many John and Sarah Livingstons with a son named Malcolm along the eastern seacoast at this time could there be. What Canadian info do we have then to help establish this lodge document as refering to our John. THere is a will of Sarahs PEI will which mentions Malcolm and the grandson Joseph which I think you have found to be significant. Does it mention that her son Malcolm is an American living in Maine?
regards,
Donald
THe John Liviston thing is just too speculative and uncertain for me at the moment but we can establish the certainty of "John Livingston" circa 1803 Lot 53, PEI in the PEI records who we now know was married to Sarah "Campbell". That old lodge info in addition to the fact that Malcolm Livingston joined the lodge of Salem I guess it is in 1857 tells us quite a bit more about his family. Regretably it does not mention PEI however but I agree with you that this seems to be the John and Sarah Livingston of Lot 53. It has to be. How many John and Sarah Livingstons with a son named Malcolm along the eastern seacoast at this time could there be. What Canadian info do we have then to help establish this lodge document as refering to our John. THere is a will of Sarahs PEI will which mentions Malcolm and the grandson Joseph which I think you have found to be significant. Does it mention that her son Malcolm is an American living in Maine?
regards,
Donald