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[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,

Thats interesting. I wonder then who the Christina also known in record as (Christy) Livingston who married Malcolm Macmillian in 1840 at Colonsay and then ended up living with Angus and Margaret Livingston with their newborn infant the following year 1841 as indicated in the 1841 census. From the obituary information of Mrs James Livingston that Debbie it would suggest that this Malcolm Macmillan was a brother and that he also settled in Canada. His wife was a Christina or Christy Livingston but it true I dont know for certain again that just because she and her husband Malcolm Macmillan are residing in the home of Angus and Margaret Livingston that Christina or Christy Macmillan is their daughter although it is easy to make that assumption. Of course without absolute proof it is just an assumption. It is possible she is a niece of Angus and Margaret's perhaps. In any event I will take a look at alternative info regarding Christy or Christina Livingston.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,

Shebach is obviously or no so obviously Siaba in Mull. There are apparently a number of spellings for this place. Although the 1841 census lists your ancestor Angus as being born abt. 1780 there is as you have mentioned reason to believe he have been born earlier such as 1775. Certainly the young Angus in the 1779 Argyllshire Census of Shebach, Mull could be your ancestor. We know he is not the Angus Livingston born in the 1770's in Mull that was living in Cape Breton, Canada in 1841 as he indicated a connection to Kilninian Parish, Mull and Shebach or Siaba is not located in Kilninian Parish whereas I think you told me that your Angus and his family according to the records lived at Siaba in the early 1800's if I have that correct.

regards,

Donald

[jmlivingstone]

Hi Donald,

Just a quick one before I do some work, Angus & Margaret had a couple of kids at Kilpatrick, as far as I remember, this is in the same area as Siaba, place of many & various variations of it's name.

It's strange to think that years ago I spent four or five weeks on a contract on Mull, we were in the Craignure Inn every day, at the time I had no idea my family came from a few miles down the road.

Also, when one of my aunts married a McLean from Mull, probably in the 1920's, their honeymoon was spent on Mull, they actually met Livingstone relations still resident on Mull, so it's highly likely some of this family are still around Mull. I'll try to get more info on this when I get home.

There was also always a story around some family members, that a brother of Angus emigrated to Canada, nothing to prove it, but I got the impression older family members were in touch with this side of the family, I always think there is probably at least a grain of truth in these old family stories.

Unfortunately, I was very young at the time, & it was a matter of total disinterest to me at the time, anyway, I better get some work done,

John

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,
I remember we were talking about those villages when going through all the available Mull area parish records for children of old Angus and Margaret in the early 1800's. I think it was Shiaba and Kilpatrick or something like that. I cant find the old map of Mull that had these towns on it. It seems to have disappeared just when I needed it. I must also refresh my memory. Yes sometimes the actual details are forgotten over the year but some core truth such as the fact that some of an ancestor's family settled in Canada was recalled perhaps by an older member of the family.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,
Remembered your earlier discussion with Roberta and I on Angus, Margaret at Jura in 1841 and their family:

Roberta,

I think that the Angus in the 1779 census for Sheabach,Mull, could be the same Angus who is included in the 1841 census for Jura, address Urigaig, Jura, where he is listed as an army pensioner, age around 60 + years. This is the last time I can find Angus on any UK site, or anywhere else for that matter, see past correspondence from Keith Livingstone in Oz on the same subject.
Also on the 1841 census are his wife Margaret, sons James and Hugh, and daughters Ann and Jean (appears as Jane on occasions ).
There appears to be a bit of a discrepancy on the age of Angus, but, most other info. available, eg. his wife and childrens names, appears to indicate this could possibly be the same Angus who was resident in Jura in the 1841 census,

John Livingstone

[jmlivingstone]

Has anyone used the Mull Families site, I never noticed it until this morning, only had time for a quick look so far,

John

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,

I had not noticed Mullfamilies before today. Interesting. Mullgenealogy has been around for a while and seems to have an extensive genealogy related research resources. Mull researchers will be pleased to have these websites available to them.

regards,

Donald

[jmlivingstone]

Hi donald,

I'm still catching up on some posts, it may be of interest, the daughters of Angus & Margaret are registered as Cirsty & Betty in the OPR, I would normally have thought they would be named Christine & Elizabeth, or something similar.

I have searched every available record I can think on, from 1805 till 1816, unfortunately, I cannot find a James who meets the criteria we are looking for, ie. born Mull.

I do not have info at hand on Hughs wife, most likely she was a Jean or Jane Shannon from Fortingall (Sp. ??), Aberdeenshire, not 100% sure, I've also looked at Canadian records, unfortunately, Hugh appears to have been a popular name in these days. I'll get back to you with confirmation on this one.

John.

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi JOhn,

Christina McMillan b. abt. 1816 who with her husband Malcolm is residing with Angus and Margaret Livingston in 1841 at Uragaig is refered to also as "Christy Livingston in her 1840 Colonsay marriage record interestingly. Unfortunately the 1809 Cirsty Livingston does not seem to be the same Cirsty or Christy Livingston as Christina McMillan. Not likely ANgus and margaret would have a Cirsty born 1809 and Christina (Christy) born in 1816 I guess. Too bad cause it would explain an unknown female Livingson born in 1816 to Angus and Margaret in the parish records back in Mull. Cirsty is by all accounts a nickname for Christina like Christy. Too bad this has become so perplexing. How many Cirsty and Christy Livingstons can Angus and Margaret have?

Christy can also be short for Christianna which was the name of a great-great-great grandmother of mine I discovered in family records some years ago. I have found it handy to be familiar with all the possible variations and nicknames that were in use in the 18th and 19th century in Scotland and North America. The Dutch in colonial America were also great ones to use dutch nicknames in records I have found.

regards,

Donald

[jmlivingstone]

Ths link should take you to the source of some historical info on the Ross of Mull area, assuming it works,

http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/link/1 ... ilviceuen/

John