Killlunaig Burial Ground

[terryliv2]

Hi Donald, Kyle, John et al,

Thanks for your replies.

I have been holding back with further posts as I was chasing up some other info which so far, I have been unable to find but here goes anyway.

Firstly, on reviewing the 3 deaths, only one of them specifically says "Killunaig Morven" - the other 2 just say Killunaig. My apologies. What is confusing me though is that it was the last one I came across only a couple of weeks ago that said Morven - the other two I have had for over 12 months. But there was something else that must have said Morven with at least one of those two because last April, my wife and I spent a day traipsing all over Morven looking for Killunaig. However, I cant find what that something else was. It is certainly not the sort of thing I could have imagined. So when I got this latest one saying Morven, I decided to try to track it down.

As far back as I can go, my Livingstone family came from Glenmore on the southern shores of Ardnamurchan on Loch Sunart. The persons where Killunaig is mentioned are:

Person 1:
Angus Livingstone, born Dec 1844 Glenmore Ardnamurchan to Hugh Livingstone and Catherine McDiarmid; died 14 Jul 1855 Gorteneorn Acharachle; buried "Killunaig Burial Ground as certified by Hugh Livingstone having charge of the funeral". As you are aware, Acharacle is to the north at the end of Loch Shiel.

Person 2:
Anne Livingstone (nee Cameron); born c1781 Glenmore Ardnamurchan (1851 Census) to Alexander Cameron and Mary Cameron (nee Cameron); died Laga Ardnamurchan 27 Apr 1855; buried "Killunaig Burial Ground as certified by Arch Livingstone having charge of the funeral". Anne was the mother of Hugh Livingstone mentioned above. Laga is near Glenmore.

Person 3:
Mary Livingstone (single), born c1781 Ardnamurchan (1851 census) to Donald Livingstone and Catherine McPherson; died 13 Mar 1858 Glenmore Ardnamurchan; buried "Kilunaig Morven as certified by Angus Livingstone, Brother of deceased"

The last of the family to die in the Adnamurchan region was Mary's sister Mysie Livingstone also single in 1868 but unfortunately, there was no column for burial. By then, the rest of the family had left the Ardnamurchan region

Person 3 was the last one I found and the other problem I now have is that I am starting to have my doubts that Mary is related. Anne's (person 2) husband was Angus and my initial reaction was that this was the same Angus who certified Mary's death but it may not be. Nevertheless, that record still says Morven.

We went to Cill Dhonnaig/Mongosdail/Killintag burial ground when were in Morven but given that the two deaths we had at the time specifically said Killunaig, I did not think we had the right place. There are very few headstones in Killintag, mainly just marker stones so little chance of finding any relevant burials.

I believe the expert on all things Morvern is Iain Thornber (we bought a book "Morvern, A Highland Parish" that he edited) who may also be able to shed some light on the discussion if anyone knows how to contact him.

Cheers

Terry - I'm a he by the way

[jmlivingstone]

Hi Donald/Terry,

The following from the 1851 census appears to be the correct family, the spelling is exactly as in the census, it's little wonder it's difficult to trace people;

Hug Livinston, b. abt. 1817, occ. shepherd, m. Catherine.

Catherine Livinston, b. abt. 1819 at Morvern.

Angus Livinston, b. abt. 1845, Glenmore, Ardnamurchan, f. Hug & m. Catharine.

Anne Livinston, b. abt. 1847, Glenmore, Ardnamurchan, f Hug & m. Catherine.

Mary Anne Livinston, b. abt. 1849, Glenmore, Ardnamurchan, f. Hug & m. Catherine.

John

[jmlivingstone]

Donald/Terry,

From 1871 census, the same family are at Port of Menteith, Perthshire, home address is Milling, presumably a farm, & Hugh is still employed as a shepherd, only discrepancy, Mary has been entered twice, probably the census taker had a couple of drams too many.
There is the usual differences in ages recorded, nothing new there, but places of birth, family names, & Hughs occupation are spot on.

The 1881 census still has the family at Milling Cottage, Port of Menteith, only change, Mary Anne appears to have left home,

John

[terryliv2]

John et al,

It is actually Malling - a farm to the west of Port of Menteith on the road to Aberfoyle. Catherine Livingstone died at Malling in 1892 and Hugh went to live with his daughter Mary Anne and her husband Peter Graham at Ballabeg, a farm to the south of Port of Menteith. Hugh died at Ballabeg in 1900.

His son, Hugh McDiarmid Livingstone emigrated to Australia in 1879.

Cheers

Terry

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Terry and John,

The earlier Census of 1841 indicates Ardnamurchan Livingstons located at three communities Glenmore, Correvulin, Ormsegmore and Ochle. Dont know if these are correct spellings as yet.

There is one oldtimer an Angus Livingston born abt. 1771 at Glenmore with his wife Anne born abt. 1781 who maiden name was Cameron. That would be the Ann Livingstone you are talking about. Another Moisey Livingston born abt. 1766 resides at Ochle. Angus Livingston born abt. 1801 at Correvulin and John Livington born abt. 1801 at Ormsegmore. Also Duncan Livingston born abt. 1811 at Ormsegmore.

If all the info you have says Killunaig and not Kiluntaig then I think have to check out Kilinaig Burial near Pennyphael, Ross of Mull and see what info on head stones and burials the Ross of Mull Historical Society and try and rule that out. It would be odd if all the info you have is written as Killunaig when it really should be Killuntaig. Other the other hand it seems strange to me for your Ardnamurchan Livingstons not to be buried in Ardnamurchan, Morvern or Northern Mull rather at Ross in the south western Mull. Perhaps the family had a connection to Ross of Mull but we dont know that to be true. I have left a message with the Ross of Mull people but havent heard back.

If I understand correctly your ancestors are Hugh Livingston crofter and his wife Catharine McDiarmid.


regards,

Donald (Livingstone) Clink
Historian
Clan Maclea Livingstone Society

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Terry,

Does this info all make sense to you?
Parish of Perthshire
Hugh Livingstone retired shepherd widower of Catharine Menzies? died October 23 1900 age 93 Ballabeg/Cardross
Parents: Angus Livingston Shepherd and Margaret McDonald
Son-in-law Peter Graham

Was Catharine Menzies his second wife? I am thinking that they got the age wrong by about ten years. Not likely he was 93 more likely 83 if census info indicates he was born in 1817. What do you know about his parents Angus Livingston and Margaret McDonald and where they resided?
I could find nothing for the simple fact that Hugh or Ewen Livingston's birth or baptism record does not seem to exist in in the Ardnamurchan records or any other parish record book in Argyllshire. Checked throughout Scotland and still couldnt find it. The only thing I did find that does not help us is his marriage record It states Ewen (Hugh) Livington married Catharine McDiarmid 01/10/1842 in Arnamurchan Parish. Had no luck finding an Angus Livingston and Margaret Livingston in Argyll in 1841 except for Johns ancestor and her name was Hall or Mcphail. No marriage record either for an ANgus Livingston or Livingstone and Margaret McDonald could I find. Maybe the information on the parents in the 1900 death record is incorrect or we they just arent in the records. Was hopeful when the parents were listed in the death record that would prove to be a lead I could work with which is often the case but apparently not in this case for whatever reason.

regards,

Donald



regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Terry and John,

Unfortunately the Ardnamurchan,Strotian and Sunart baptismal records for the 1810-1820 period indicate the birth or baptisms of the children of Duncan Livingston and Catharine McNaughton and ANgus Livingston and ANn Cameron. So if Hugh Livingston was born in Ardnamurchan parish around 1817 as it states in the 1851 Census and his parents Angus Livingston and Margaret McDonald were living in that parish then his birth or baptism was not for some reason recorded. ANd I cant seem to find them in any other parish as least in the parish records.

regards,

Donald

[jmlivingstone]

Donald/Terry,

I just noticed the name McDiarmid was involved, which seemed familiar, so I had a look in the old forum, in Livingstone Argyll & Heavyweight Record, from around March tlll Oct. 2005, there was some previous discussion on this subject, some of it from Terry (I could be wrongly assuming it's you Terry), & also from Donald, a Mary Livingstone & a Karyn.

It's definitely worth a look at, another thing I came across, is a Hugh Livingstone of Glenmore, b. abt. 1808, who married an Anne Cameron on 17.12.1833 I believe at Glenmore, is he a son of the older Hugh ?,

John

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Terry and John,

Ok I am stumped. I tryed every trick in the book nothing. Only thing I found that was of some interest was that a year before Ewen or Hugh of Glenmore married I noticed that a Lachlan Livingston born abt. 1793 residing in Glenmore in 1841 married Mary McFayden of Ross of Mull (Kilfinichen Parish according to the 1851 census) I thought that somewhat interesting given that I was trying to make a Kilfinichen connection to the Glenmore Livingstons. It just may be coincidence and I dont have enough here to link your Hugh to this Lachlan who according to his death record died 84 yrs of age in 1877 a son of Donald Livingston and Catherine Mcpherson another couple I can find no where in the records either. I did notice in the Ardnamurchan marriage book that alot of folks came from somewhere else in Argyllshire, Northern Mull, Morvern Ross of Mull etc so I think possible that either Hugh is rooted to Ardnamurchan or the alternative view that he and some of the other Livingston came from someplace else in Argyllshire. If these parents I found listed in the death records or Hugh in a baptismal record I quite conceivalbly could have made some possible progress is determining whether Hugh had a family connection to Morvern or Mull. There is no way I can prove any Ross of Mull or Morvern connection the way I was intending it looks like. Darn. The fact that this Lachlin Livingston of Glenmore married someone from Kilfinichen, Ross of Mull is interesting given there is Kilunaig Cemetery in Ross of Mull, but this info does not take me anywhere. So far this is closest connection I can find to Ross of Mull where the one Killunaig Cemetery is located. The idea was to prove that Hugh Livingston and other Livingstons at Glenmore had some sort of connection to Kilfinichen Parish, Ross of Mull. So far one wife of a Livingston married a year before Hugh (Ewen) also residing at Glenmore around the same time married a McFayden from Kilfinichen Parish, Ross of Mull. A bit of stretch but I was trying to make my theory work.

regards,

Donald

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Terry and John,

Ok here is one thing to consider. The Ardnamurchan baptism and marriage records cover the period beginning 1777 but interestingly enough the earliest baptismal entries for a Livingston family is 1811and the earliest Livingston marriage is 1827 so I think that definitely suggests that perhaps the Livingstons and your Livingstons Terry came from Mull or Morvern as I think you are inclined to suspect. Anyways as I suspected as well they probably originated from Mull or Morvern prior to the early 1800's which if true would also help to explain why some of your Livingston kin were buried well beyond Glenmore and Ardnamurchan if that is the case. Just one page of the early 1840's marriage entrie in Ardnamurchan book made clear many of those getting married as late as the 1840's were from Mull or Morvern so it is quite conceivalble that your Livingston and all the Livingstons came from Mull or Morvern. We have done only a little work with the cemetery records but it would be useful to have Livingston info from some of the old cemeteries in Argyllshire if anyone wants to get some major exercise and probably a far bit of back strain and copy the info. We had one person submit the Livingston info from the old Episcopal Church cemetery at Ballachulish which has a lot of Livingstones buried there. There were Livingstons working the slate mines there for a few centuries. There is definitely a project work taking on at Keil Cemetery near Lochaline where a number of Livingstones possibly connected to the famous Donald Livingstone 1728-1816 of the Battle of Culloden fame are buried and other old cemetery in the Morvern area if anyone wants to take that on in the warmer spring or summer. We dont have too many living or frequently visiting the highlands but if anyone is interested in checking out those cemeteries. There may actually some transcriptions of the Morvern cemetery records perhaps someone knows of them having been published. We should check into that before anyone goes to any trouble.

regards,

Donald