Livingstones of Rutherglen and Alberta?

[jmlivingstone]

Hi Donald,

Just found the following;

1. 1864 marriages Western District Old Monklands, County of Lanark.

18 Oct. 1864, in the manse of Bailleston church by Rev. Hugh Ramsay. (The marriage was probably done in the manse due to them already having an illegitimate child John, some C of S ministers still operated like this into the 1960's).

John Livingstone to Agnes Lockhart, both resident Cuilhill, Old Monkland, Lanark.

Johns parents f. John Livingstone, Occ. Joiner, deceased, & Flora Campbell.

2. This is possibly Johns mother, as usual, not certain, but she is the only Flora Campbell born in the area for many years, it would make her around 16 years old when John was born.
Parents for this Flora are, Colin Campbell & Flora Park, dob. for Flora is abt. 15 May 1848, two dates are shown, one of which, 2 July 1848 maybe her baptism.

3. As yet found no info on Floras husband John, pity he had such a common name,

John

John

[Kyle MacLea]

Welcome, John (jplivingstone)! And thank you, John (jmlivingstone) for your help!

I hope that that roof damage doesn't cost you too much. We had some crazy wind here in Colorado over the past week... but no roof damage, thankfully!

A happy new year to all--and it appears that some good progress is being made here on this family.

Great work, all!

Kyle=

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,

I am sorry to hear about the storm and everything that has been happening . We have been hearing reports over the pond here about the bad winter youve been having. Hoping things get better.

John Livingston and Flora Campbell presumingly lived in Old Monkland Parish, Lanarkshire in the early 1840's when their son John was born. All the census records indicate that this John Livingston was born in the early 1840's in Old Monkland Parish, Lanarkshire. I would however point out that there is strong evidence in the 1851 and 1861 Census that most of the Livingston familys that lived in Old Monkland Parish were of families that originated in Lismore, Appin, MOrvern or Islay. The County of Lanarkshire was full of highland Livingstons like Dr. Livingstone's grandparents left Western Argyllshire in 1792 finding employment in industrialized Lanarkshire. Getting back to Andrews original question regarding whether this family that settled in Albera was of a Livingston family that was of the Baron's Lismore group, I cant say for sure but certainly there is strong probabibility they belong to a family conneccted to the Lismore/Appin group which have similiar origins to the Baron's family. So to Andrew's original question I would answer that this family could be ancestrally conneccted to Baron Livingstone's family line and certainly I suspect them to be of Western Argyllshire Livingston ancestry though they lived in Lanarkshire in the lowlands as far back in the 1800's as we can go with the existing information so far on the family. That being said I cant be certain the John and Flora were born in the highlands or lowland Lanarkshire but just that it is likely that John's family came from there at some point prior to 1800 very likely. Hope this helps.

I would suspect that John Livingston and Flora Campbell would have been born sometime between 1800 and 1820 given that their son John Livingston according to the Lanarkshire Census info was born abt. in the early 1840's in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire Regretably I could not find a John LIvingston or Livingstone born to a John Livingston and Flora Campbell around this time in the Scottish records anywhere in Lanarkshire County. NOw it is possible they are not in the Presbyterian parish records because they were Episcopalians in which case they wouldnt be included the parish records we have been looking at. A signficant number of our highland Livingstons in Appin,Lismore and Ballachulish for example were Episcopalian not Presbyterian and dont appear in the Argyllshire Presbyterian records for example.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,
Sorry about your roof. Just getting a getting a roof reshingled is expensive enough. I hope your insurance covers it.

Lots of mining in Old Monkland looks like. Perhaps that is why some of the highland Livingstons ended up there. Lots of Livingstons worked in slate quarries back home in Argyllshire as well at Ballachuilish, Isle of Luing and Jura.

regards,

Donald

[Kyle MacLea]

I am a great grandson of John and Georgina Livingstone who came to Canada in 1904. John was born in 1866 and died in Calgary in 1924. I am actually the 8th John Livingstone in a row (oldest sons of oldest sons). I live in Utah where Sorenson's originates, but am not one who has done the DNA contribution.

Hi John,

We'd love to hear more about your branch of the family. And if you're interested in the DNA testing, I can provide more information anytime. Glad you stopped by--stick around! This lot has a great deal of information and understanding of the movements of Livingston/es around Scotland and around the world.

Thanks for joining us!

Kyle=

[jmlivingstone]

Deleted, posted message below twice,

John

[jmlivingstone]

Here is another Livingstone family resident Rutherglen, their father originally from Morvern, this was posted on Genform by Daryl Povey from Ballarat, Australia.
No idea if they are related to the previous Livingstone family,

''I am looking for any connections with, or descendants of a branch of my LIVINGSTONE family from Morvern, Argyll, Sct, who moved to Rutherglen, LNK, Sct where 8 chn were born from 1855-1873 and later to the Glasgow area. The branch was:

Robert LIVINGSTONE b. 1825, Morvern, ARL, Sct
d. 1906, Glasgow area, LNK, Sct
m. 1854, Cambuslang, LNK, Sct
spouse: Agnes REID 1831-?, b. Hamilton, Rutherglen, LNK, Sct

Their known children, all born at Rutherglen, LNK, Sct were:
Agnes LIVINGSTONE, b. 1855
Adam LIVINGSTONE, b. 1857
Maggie LIVINGSTONE, b. 1859
John LIVINGSTONE, b. 1862
Janet LIVINGSTONE, b. 1864
Robert LIVINGSTONE, 1867
James LIVINGSTONE, b. 1870
Jane LIVINGSTONE, b. 1873

Robert LIVINGSTONE was a brother of Anne LIVINGSTONE who emigrated to Australia in the 1850s.'',

John

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi JOhn,

I am also looking for descendants of this particular Rutherglen family from the late 1800's early 1900's. They originally from Morvern and were only proven surviving male Livingston line of descent from the famous Morvern hero of Culloden Donald Livingstone (1728-1816) See my posting a while back on Donald Livingstone of Savary Morvern and family in which I identified his wife and children that resided in the Morvern area. I found to my surprise that most of his children remained in Morvern contrary and some did not marry, so I could find few actual "Livingston" decendants but around the early 1900's there was a Livingston descendant of Donald who settled in the 1800's in RUtherglen who had a few sons I noticed who must of have lived into the 1900's and may in turn have sons. So someone in RUtherglen or whereever Roberts family lived later may know about this particular family and who knows there may be a Livingstone descendant of this family alive today. I wonder if Darryl has any luck finding them. Would love to get them in the Genealogy DNA Project so we could prove which highland Livingston family group, Donald of Morvern was likely descended from. Dont know that there is connection between the two families. Robert and family, I traced in my old postings back directly the family of the famous Donald Livingstone 1728-1816 of Savary Morvern and his wife Jane also name in the records as Jean Stewart. I dont know where the other family resided before the Monklands in Lanarkshire lowland Scotland, but my feeling they also originated from a Western Argyllshire Livingston family that settled in Lanarkshire as many did from the late 1700's onward.

regards,

Donald

[jmlivingstone]

Donald,

Just had a look in the list of members of this forum, I didn't realise Daryll is a member, so he may see this & give us an update,

John

[Kyle MacLea]

Is Daryl a member? If not, someone could let him know about us....

(Anyone can email me if they'd like to set up an account!)

Kyle=