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[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Edith, At least with the Livingstones of yours that arrived on the Prince of Wales circa 1819 there are age dates. The passenger list for the Robert Taylor was lost either by Lord Selkirk or by his leader on the RObert Taylor who was an Irishman named Owen Kenevy. Not popular on the ship and disliked by both Irish and Scots aboard the ship who almost carried out a successfull mutiny against him. Perhaps Kenevy had the passenger list among his papers when they destroyed after he was slain by North West Company employees who were taking him to Montreal as a prisoner in 1816. In any event the list of those leaving York Factory from September of 1812 should be most of those settlers that had been aboard the ship the Robert Taylor under his leadership. There could be a number of mistakes, certainly one is that Miles wife Janet is not listed. I believe that JEssie was actually a young man born in the 1790's according to one researcher I talked to. So if I am making sense of this group of Livingstone, you had two middle aged men Donald and Miles experienced boatbuilders/carpenters with a young man named Jessie and travelling with them Donald Livingstone born abt. 1790/1791 son of Neil Livingstone a young man and also a boat builder. Although it does say on this list we know from other records including those located by Mary Summers that both Livingston family groups originated in 1812 from the Port of Bowmore, Killarrow Parish Isle of Islay though they appear to have resided elsewhere in Kilarrow Parish. regards Donald (Livingstone)Clink

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Edith, Thank-you for the informative letter. I enjoyed very much reading it. Susan has spent hours in the Manitoba Archives and has some amazing material put together on your Livingstones. I also appreciate being made aware of the mess that has been made of the 1812 original Livingston settler information from the Isle of Islay. I have not seen that book you mentioned, but heard of it. There is unfortunately more than one group that misunderstood and published a list of the Livingston Red River settlers based in part from the 1812 list. If only they had checked other sources including the baptismal records from 1813 at Red River that lists Miles Livingston as the father of baby girl named Nancy and the following year a son named Hugh. Or checked with the descendants first before intrepreting the list which I confess can be confusing. Its frustrating but from past experience once something like this is published it is very difficult to get corrections made. I have seen this before in other family history projects. The same problem actually occurs on the L.D.S family records which I believe are almost impossible to get corrected once someone submits them. Thus you end up with several submissions for one of your ancestors with in some cases ridiculous errors and there is absolutely little you can do in the way of correcting them. Perhaps you have run into this problem in your family research. regards Donald (Livingstone) Clink

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Edith, Thank-you for the informative letter. I enjoyed very much reading it. Mary has spent hours in the Manitoba Archives and has some amazing original source material put together on your Livingstones including the letters I mentioned. I also appreciate being made aware of the mess that has been made of the 1812 original Livingston settler information from the Isle of Islay. I have not seen that book you mentioned, but heard of it. There is unfortunately more than one group that misunderstood and published a list of the Livingston Red River settlers based in part from the 1812 list. If only they had checked other sources including the baptismal records from 1813 at Red River that lists Miles Livingston as the father of baby girl named Nancy and the following year a son named Hugh. Or checked with the descendants first before intrepreting the list which I confess can be confusing. Its frustrating but from past experience once something like this is published it is very difficult to get corrections made. I have seen this before in other family history projects. The same problem actually occurs on the L.D.S family records which I believe are almost impossible to get corrected once someone submits them. Thus you end up with several submissions for one of your ancestors with in some cases ridiculous errors and there is absolutely little you can do in the way of correcting them. Perhaps you have run into this problem in your family research. regards Donald (Livingstone) Clink

[edith]

Yes, I've discovered lots of errors in the LDS records on Family Search, also in the family trees on Ancestry.com. Rootsweb has a Post-It Note system for their family trees. I don't know how well it works. I want to try it for an error I found on my mother's side. It won't correct the error but should point it out to anyone else who finds the name.

[Lynda]

Hi all.

[Bachuil]

Lynda, I am sorry that it has taken so long to release your message. Welcome to the forum - and I am so pleased that Kyle was of help.

[Kyle2 MacLea]

Hi Niall and welcome again Lynda! Yes, I found a query of Lynda's on the Net, with her interest in McLea of Bute about 1700.

[Bachuil]

Welcome to our clan forum Lynda.