Slightly different spin on the name change.. Fictious story and database data

[D.W.Livingston]

I know all the threads appear to be either the name change of the 1750-60's or the search for Tartan information. What can I say it appears we are all big on discovering things and creative minds. Below is some information I pulled from the database, thanks you Kyle for providing the information. If anyone wants a copy of the Excel Spreadsheet please let me know and I'll email it to you. ================================================ Please remember that the gaps in dates are most likely because Scotlands People never got the OPR records from the parishes. Argyl Livingston(e) Births through 1789 1729 - 1748: Only 7 births for Livingston... All in Kildalton 1750 - 1759: 24 births recorded: 6 in Lismore Appin and Duror,

[Kyle2 MacLea]

Dear David, I think Donald will like this hypothesizing, the same thing he's been doing, too! I actually like the scope of the story and see that it makes some sense.

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi David, This is a tremendous asset to the Clan to have access to all this information. It is interesting that in the period between 1750 and 1759 there are 15 Livingstones in Kilbrandon and Kilchattan and only 6 Livingstones recorded at Lismore. And in 1750 to 1759 only two Livingstones recorded in Inveraray and Glenary. All the MacLeas that showed prior to 1745 do not appear to have become Livingstons perhaps because they are as Craig suggested closer to the Baron of Linsaig. There is some evidence in your own research from the Island of Lismore Parish records and in my own research of the Island of Lismore records and Keil Cemetery at neighbouring to suggest that name change took place among rank and file clan members much earlier than 1773. One of my probable relatives was baptised on the Island of Lismore as a Livingstone as early as 1759 and the parents were Donald Livingstone and Christian Campbell. Donald Livingstone went with a complete gaelic name at one time but had dispenced with it when in 1760 with the death of his mother he completed a burial monument for his mother and father. Incribed on the stone was the name Livingston and the date 1760. It is possible but unlikely that the inscription was written after 1760. regards Donald (Livingstone) Clink

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi David, Sorry the second Donald Livingstone that buried his parents was Donald Livingstone (1728-1816) of Savary, Movern. regards Donald

[Kyle2 MacLea]

And to follow up, I believe the lack of change in the Bute McLeas, and perhaps other areas (MacLeays, in the north, etc.), may indicate some different historical roots. I have given thought to the idea of Craig, etc., that this may indicate a closer association with Lindsaig.

[Craig McClay Wilson]

Kyle, Donald, David, Re the possible Bute/Lindsaig McLea connections: I am still trying to get access to some private family papers on southern McLeas

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Craig, Caise Shona Dhuit! I have a quick question. What ever happened to the Barons of Lindsaig? I have not followed this branch of the Macleas as much as I should have and therefore I thought that you and Kyle might have traced this family through to modern times. regards Donald

[Andrew Lancaster4]

You write: "We also know that the Gaelic Mac-An-Leigh and the Anglo-Saxon Livingston has, in definition, roughly the same meaning." I don't think that is correct. Livingston when first recorded in Latin was Villa Levingi, the town of Levingus, which was *usually* a Latinization of the name which was once written Leofwin, which is a name wherein the two components signify something like love and praise behind them. an Laigh, if I understand correctly, would have a very different meaning. To take a new tack though, the Gaelic name of the town of Livingston does use the same component as we would understand to be behind Mac Dunsleibhe -- which is however quite different to that behind Mac an Laigh. Regards Andrew

[D.W.Livingston]

Thank You Andrew for the clarification. I knew after I sent it that Livingston was a split of Leving's + ton or Leving's Town but I thought Leving broke down to a way of saying Physician. I said at the beginning that I didn't have the historical data and that is great that it was Mac Dunslebhe not Mac-An-Leigh. I learned something today. =) Sincerely, David

[Kyle2 MacLea]

Donald, I don't believe there is any definitive proof of the descendants of the Baron of Lindsaig yet, but clearly these documents would be important in that. It seems if you believe the Account that the Barons three sons never returned to Scotland... but that others descended from his brother eventually did return to the ancestral lands of Lindsaig? This find of private papers by Craig could answer a LOT of the questions about the relatedness of the McLeas of Lindsaig, Bute, and beyond.