Society of Scottish Armigers

[Bachuil]

Father has been invited to join this society as an Honorary Member. His arms are up on http://www.scotarmigers.net/arms.htm. A links page is provided http://www.scotarmigers.net/links.htm

[D.W.Livingston]

I did some searching and pulled most of the names from previous threads http://www.clanmclea.co.uk/forum/show-message.asp?ID=42 http://www.clanmclea.co.uk/forum/Show-M ... Asp?ID=176 The excel spreadsheet we are using for a database, as well as from the addresses: http://users.skynet.be/lancaster/MacLea%20surnames.htm I then broke each name down and gave back the name with no M', Mc, or Mac as well as with them. This broke down to 296 name variations. Since all of these aren't really part of the clan some one else more qualified can look at this list and narrow down which surnames should and shouldn't be added. Thank You. David Sorry for the format. Alea Aleavy Allea Anally an-Lei Auley Bog Bogg Boggs Bogs Bogue Bogues Boig Boigs Clae Clay Clee Clew Cloo Cloy Clue Cluie Coleif Collae Collea Conleif Connelly Connolly Culloif Dhuinsleibhe Dhunleibhe Donleavy Donnslae Dowleavis Duinnshleibhe Dunlaif Dunlave Dunleavy Dunlewe Dunslaif Dunslaphe Dunslaue Dunslave Dunslea Dunsleibhe Glew Inlay Inlea Kinley Klea Koilea Kollie Lae Lavitch Lay Lea Lean Leavadge Leavage Leay Leivadge Leivage Levach Levack Levadge Levage Levidge Levingston Levingstone Levingstoun Levingstoune Leviston Levistone Levistoun Levistoune Livadge Livage Liveage Liveston Livestone Livestoun Livestoune Livetch Livich Liviech Livietch Livige Livingston Livingstone Livingstones Livingstoun Livingstoune Livish Liviston Livistone Livistoun Livistoune Livitch Lovadge Lovage Loveage M' O Lea M' O Lei Mac O Lea Mac O Lei MacAlea MacAleavy MacAllea MacAnally MacAn-Lei Mac-an-Leighs MacAuley MacClae MacClay MacClee MacClew MacCloo MacCloy MacClue MacCluie MacColeif MacCollae MacCollea MacConleif MacConnelly MacConnolly MacCulloif MacDhuinsleibhe MacDhunleibhe MacDonleavy MacDonnslae MacDowleavis MacDuinnshleibhe MacDunlaif MacDunlave MacDunleavy MacDunlewe MacDunslaif MacDunslaphe MacDunslaue MacDunslave MacDunslea MacDunsleibhe MacGlew MacInlay MacInlea MacKinley MacKlea MacKoilea MacKollie MacLae MacLay MacLea MacLean MacLeay MacMaginley MacMakcolluf MacMakley MacOlea MacOnlave MacOnlay MacOnlea MacOnleif MacOnlew Maginley Makcolluf Makley M'Alea M'Aleavy M'Allea M'Anally M'an-Lei M'AnLeighs M'Auley Mc O Lea Mc O Lei McAlea McAleavy McAllea McAnally McAn-Lei McAnLeighs McAuley McClae McClay McClee McClew McCloo McCloy McClue McCluie McColeif McCollae McCollea McConleif McConnelly McConnolly McCulloif McDhuinsleibhe McDhunleibhe McDonleavy McDonnslae McDowleavis McDuinnshleibhe McDunlaif McDunlave McDunleavy McDunlewe McDunslaif McDunslaphe McDunslaue McDunslave McDunslea McDunsleibhe McGlew McInlay McInlea McKinley McKlea McKoilea McKollie McLae M'Clae McLay M'Clay McLea McLean McLeay M'Clee M'Clew M'Cloo M'Cloy M'Clue M'Cluie McMaginley McMakcolluf McMakley McOlea M'Coleif M'Collae M'Collea McOnlave McOnlay McOnlea McOnleif M'Conleif McOnlew M'Connelly M'Connolly M'Culloif M'Dhuinsleibhe M'Dhunleibhe M'Donleavy M'Donnslae M'Dowleavis M'Duinnshleibhe M'Dunlaif M'Dunlave M'Dunleavy M'Dunlewe M'Dunslaif M'Dunslaphe M'Dunslaue M'Dunslave M'Dunslea M'Dunsleibhe M'Glew M'Inlay M'Inlea M'Kinley M'Klea M'Koilea M'Kollie M'Lae M'Lay M'Lea M'Lean M'Leay M'Maginley M'Makcolluf M'Makley M'Olea M'Onlave M'Onlay M'Onlea M'Onleif M'Onlew O Lea O Lei Olea Onlave Onlay Onlea Onleif Onlew VcDunlaif

[Kyle2 MacLea]

Good list, David!

[D.W.Livingston]

Thanks alot Kyle, now I have new things to look up and questions to ask. Looking through the Heraldry Society of Scotland on applying for ancestral arms I have some questions. 1.) How does one research the Court of the Lord Lyon to see if anyone in my family has applied previously (ie. Grand Father, etc.) 2.) What kind of documentation would I need? I am the eldest son to my father, who was born in Scotland... but he was the second son to my grand father. Would I give my ancestral line with any documentation I can find going back as far as possible, in case some member (like my GGGGrand father) might have applied back in the 1800's? Looking at the difference between a "Grant of Arms to an Ancestor" and a "Matriculation of existing Arms" it appears I would need to go with the Matriculation as my father was the second son. http://www.heraldry-scotland.co.uk/petitionancest.html states: ...the Arms sought for and in memory of Thomas Augustus Blank will NOT have descended to the Petitioner, because his father Lieutenant Colonel Harold Andrew Blank was NOT the eldest son of Thomas Augustus Blank. Lieutenant Colonel Blank was the second son, and the direct inheritance of the Arms of Thomas Augustus Blank will have gone off to Lieutenant Colonel Blank's elder brother. Thus the Petitioner will have to apply further for a Matriculation of Arms. So if I wanted to go back to John Livingston of Dull Parish in 1782, and I have the copies going further until I reach my Great Grand Mother, who had my Grand father out of wedlock.. would I be able to? or would I just want to have a coat of arms from my Grand father, through my father, to me? So many questions and I truly don't know that much. BUT that is why I come here, to learn. David

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi All, To be fair some names recently suggested as being connected to the Highland McLeas-Livingstones are highly speculative and not based upon any kind of evidence and hopefully will not be included as possible septs. McLeas and variations of this name certainly should be given consideration. McKinley and Macauley is generally not considered to be connected to our clan and have their own origins, but there are some who have tried to link them to McLeas. Donald

[D.W.Livingston]

I couldn't agree more. the list of names I have entered here are nothing more than listing I pulled from a lot of areas (Not verified) and adding/removing M', Mc, or Mac from them. I would ask someone who knows to remove all the non-septs names so we can weed it down to what Niall really needs, so it can be added. David

[Canadian Livingstone]

Well a quick search shows 18000 hits for McLea and about 6000 for MacLea. Maconlea doesnt fair so well with only 150 hits on the net and apparently not so many with that name around today. MacDunlevy was a popular name in Ireland among those who traced their ancestry from the McDunsliebhes associated with ancient County Down. I dont see any with that name in Scotland today that could be intrepreted as being a sept of Maclea Livingstone, although long ago we did spell our name that way. That is not to say that we dont possibly share some ancient connection with the ancient County Down McDunsliebhes or McDunsliabhes of the Ulliad era in Ireland. Donald

[Kyle2 MacLea]

David--

[D.W.Livingston]

Hello Niall, First I hope you are getting over your case of seriousitus with tertiary complications. Take a lot of liquids as seriousitus can't stand liquids. Second can you elaborate on what is needed for the Septs list? ie. names that have historical connections to the McLea, which would be for the Historians in our group... or name variations like the older McDunsliebhes. Or would it be other clans that might have existed in Lismore and went to the McLea chief for guidance? Looking at other clans like the MacNeil and MacPherson we see that a lot of the clan Septs are just spellings variations see: http://www.electricscotland.com/WEBCLANS/septs.htm In which case a good start would be Andrews website - http://users.skynet.be/lancaster/MacLea%20surnames.htm

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi David, I started to list last year most of the interesting variations of our clan name over the last 500 years or so as I locate them. I guess that is not what were looking for. My sense of the original Irish name Dunshliebhe as in Rory McDunshleibhe is that we are looking at Dun which can mean fortified hill and Shleibhe which has more modern gaelic Irish equivalent of Sliabh meaning mountain. Perhaps put it all together it meant fortified Mountain to an Irishman or Scot from medievil period. The name is ancient and comes from a time when there were indeed many mountain or hill forts throughout Ireland where the Maconlea-Livingstone ancestors once lived. Now doubt Rory McDunshliebhe and his ancestors in County Down were in possession of great hill forts.