DNA project update

[Canadian Livingstone]

Kyle, I appreciate you are busy at this point in time, but reading what you have most recently stated, I am sensing that the discussions we were to arrange between ourselves in the

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi David, Thanks again for supporting the Reconciliation Committee. The fact that put yourself out for a disenting clan member whom you disagree with speaks volumes to the COmmittee about you. I do not think that it can go through without more support from the Clan and therefore I advice we dismantle it. For this and other above mentioned reasons the Livingstone Petition Committee, Traditionalists or whatever title works, has upon reflection to throw it's full support to you David Livingstone as the next Clan Officer for the America's with one privision that we reach some sort of comprommise on the issue of the rights and special recognitions of the Traditionalists and a special status or special role within your organization for a Canadian Clan representative. If we can find mutual understanding and closure on these two fundamental issues then I think you have my undivided loyalty. One other issue of concern to me is that of an open discussion of the Highland Clearances and the lack of apparent interest. I hit a complete brick wall in my efforts to sensitize people to this great 19th century attrocity that affected so many families. Maybe we can talk about this.

[Andrew Lancaster4]

Dear Donald, In order to get a test kit sent out I need the street address, and the name of the person to whom it is to be dispatched. Obviously such private information should not be posted on this website, so please mail this information to andrew "dot" lancaster "at" skynet "dot" be. I'll get a kit sent out immediately. Also please advise your ideas on who will be paying for this. Again, it is

[Kyle2 MacLea]

One last thing, Donald. I am not against you and never have been.

[D.W.Livingston]

Just to piggy-back on Andrew's comments, specifically: "It is purely a technical question. For example another alternative would be that I prepare results tables and some commentary and send it to Niall for putting on a webpage. We even discussed various options when I took over from Rob. We chose what was most practical, and that means a "division of labour". If there were an important reason to be concerned about the domain names then I, or someone else, would need access to Niall's private internet account, or otherwise we'd need to expect Niall to do every job and not share any tasks out." The current situation is a perfect example. Niall is unable to get to his personal email at this time and has a bit more pressing issues to attend to (I still would like to see pictures and hear how everything goes with being ordained after the 12th. ), which means if any updates needed to be done and people send it to Niall to incorporate into this one website then the information might not be able to make it until a time that Niall can do it (He hasn't been able to get to his personal email for over a month so I bet there is a huge backlog of things to go through). "Division of Labour" is the best solution in this case so the people associated with the DNA Project who might not come here often still can get the updates and get more people involved with it, and Niall doesn't have to worry about if he needs to check his personal account multiple times a day to get any update from the DNA Project, The Genealogy Project, Clearance Project, or any future project. Thank you for listening. David

[Canadian Livingstone]

Andrew, Can't happen till the fall I should think. At that time if our participant is still willing and interested,we can begin the DNA process to unravel an age old mystery regarding the connection between Dr. Livingstone's family and that of Baron Bachuil. As I mentioned last night it was always my express intention to place this project in your hands and honestly thought you had been made aware of it through a reliable second party. Anyways lets leave the past in the past. This first collaborative effort between the two of us can be a symbolic step forward among the so called Clan Traditionalists such as myself and the opposing which we generally refer to as Universalists. The disolving of the Livingstone Reconciliation Committee was regretable since I think David and I both saw it as an open and democratic forum where individuals with opposing visions of Clan MacLea Livingstones could find positive ways to a bridge of understanding. Regarding Clan regulations, both ancient and modern, the Reconciliation COmmittee was in the spirit of the Young Bachuil a body which would encourage each of us resolve differences. The Young Bachuil clearly expressed that in the interest of CLan Unity that resolve these differences among ourselves. Such a discusssion group therefore hardly fits the bill as being against Clan rules and regulations.

[Canadian Livingstone]

David, Sorry but can you clarify for Clan MacLea Livingstone what you mean by replacing Rob Livingstone. I was not aware there was a replacement and I have been at the forum everyday and in touch with the Young Bachuil. And I of course interested in keeping things progressing forward, but need clarification on this. regards Donald (LIvingstone) Clink

[D.W.Livingston]

Donald, That was a quote that Andrew wrote in a previous thread. Andrew took over for Rob in the DNA Project. It wasn't something I wrote directly. David

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi David, I am sorry David I thought they were "personal" websites not easily identified as an official Clan McLea Livingstone Websites with alot of information that is somewhat different from Niall's website. That was just my impression that I was looking at two completely different websites. I am not saying that Andrew's website is bad. People misunderstand what I am saying. In fact he has probably done more work than any of us without doubt, all of it with the best of intentions. But by being connected to ANdrew's website I am not clear how the DNA Project can truly be understood as being a separate entity and Our DNA Project. I am just pointing out that when one arrives at the site it appears from my impression to be an Andrew Lancaster Website first and formost with a strong emphasis on Clan Livingstone and the DNA project in secondary position. THat to me is different that a DNA website run by Andrew Lancaster but is an official MacLea Livingstone. That is the point I am trying to make. I would ideally like to see it

[Canadian Livingstone]

David, Ok just checking. I am not certain I am privy to all the lastest information. We Traditionalists kind of live in dark corner here all by are ourselves these days without much support or sympathy. I can almost imagine and relate to your American hero Davy Crokett carving in a post at the tragic conclusion of the Battle of ALamo this message: "Sometimes lost causes are the best causes to fight for." I know he didn't really say that, but I think I would have if I had been there. Anyways as I mentioned yesterday this can all work out for all concerned. We can sort out the loose ends. And your looking for hard to find sources for Clan Livingstone. Just contact me. I can fill you in on any obscure details or sources you might need. You wont find too many books about Clan Livingstone, but there a few interesting sources out there. The more info you have the better if will be. Lets make this work David with the REconciliation COmmitee or without it I dont care. Two heads working for peaceful reconciliation. Who can argue with that. I am hoping to set up similar talks with Andrew. Being far apart doesnt mean as we have proven that we cant open the doors of civilized communication. We must try or fail. Those are only choices the way I see it. This Clan is a noble idea worth fighting for as the Young Bachuil would no doubt agree. regards D