Hi Roberta,
Such documents such as the arrival document for John Livingston and Catharine Campbell does not survive nor do many of the arrival records and passenger lists. The original document however from the officials at Mull, Scotland with information detailing the departure of John Livingston and Catharine Campbell from Mull to Pictou Nova Scotia in 1821 including the details of passage payment was not in the hands of a historical society but in private collection of none other than Alexander Livingston's family of Whycocomagh Cape Breton. What a strange coincidence. So even if one concluded that the neighbourin Mull River Livingston were descended from a John livingston and Mary Campbell one will still have a hard time denying that their neighbours in Whycocomagh Alexander and Colin livingston were not sons of John Livingston and Catharine Campbell given that ALexander apparently had in his possession the original Mull documentation written up just before a John Livingston and Catharine Campbell travelled to Nova Scotia in 1821. And of course the fact that the family parish records for a John Livingston and Catharine Campbell with baptisms that cease after 1821 sure enough list a JOhn, Alexander and Colin about the same ages to my surprise. Only john is off by a bit. John in the Mabou records was born in 1808 and the one in Scotland is born about 1800. Alexander at 1814 is right on with one at Whycocomagh and Colin born abt. 1818 is also about right. (59 in 1867 at time of his death according to one of his obituaries in PEI. Too many coincidences here Roberta. ONe after the other. This Mabou-Whycocomagh project has been very difficult to say the least.
regards,
Donald
Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hello Donald,
That is interesting, obviously you have good resources for your information on this Livingstone family.
I wonder if anyone has called this cemetery to find out who bought this stone, and if there are any of the original records at the Hillsborough Cemetery are on file. So are you also saying that there was not a son by the name of Duncan which is stated on the stone? They had a picture of this Livingstone stone on the site and it clearly stated that Duncan was the son of John Livingstone and Mary Campbell. Maybe I will give them a call to see when and by who the stone was purchased just out of curiosity.
In regards to the cemetery stone for Catherine Adams, wife of James Adams,daughter of Dougal Livingstone of Cape George. That is also confuseing. the Catherine Livingstone that died in 1868 was married to a JamesAdams. then there was a marriage for a James Adams who married another Catherine Livingstone in the year 1869. he was 41 and a widower of Mabou when he married a 19 year old Catherine Livingstone of Mull River her parents were John & Catherine Livingstone. So it seems that James Adams married twice both to Catherine Livingstone's but of different parents.
Jewel
That is interesting, obviously you have good resources for your information on this Livingstone family.
I wonder if anyone has called this cemetery to find out who bought this stone, and if there are any of the original records at the Hillsborough Cemetery are on file. So are you also saying that there was not a son by the name of Duncan which is stated on the stone? They had a picture of this Livingstone stone on the site and it clearly stated that Duncan was the son of John Livingstone and Mary Campbell. Maybe I will give them a call to see when and by who the stone was purchased just out of curiosity.
In regards to the cemetery stone for Catherine Adams, wife of James Adams,daughter of Dougal Livingstone of Cape George. That is also confuseing. the Catherine Livingstone that died in 1868 was married to a JamesAdams. then there was a marriage for a James Adams who married another Catherine Livingstone in the year 1869. he was 41 and a widower of Mabou when he married a 19 year old Catherine Livingstone of Mull River her parents were John & Catherine Livingstone. So it seems that James Adams married twice both to Catherine Livingstone's but of different parents.
Jewel
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Maryanne,
I did see Catherine Jane Adams 1849-1940 tombstone at the Hillsborough Pioneer Cemetery and the stone stated she was the wife of James Adams. Her death record is also on the Vital records for Nova Scotia. She was the second wife of James Adams. he was a widow when he married her in 1869. The marriage record is also on the vital records for Nova Scotia they married in 1869, she was 19 and James was 41.
Dougal Adams, b. Dec. 25,1856 and died May 23rd, 1928 was the son of James Adams & his first wife who was also a Catherine Livingstone. Catherine was the daughter of a Dougall Livingstone of Cape George. So Dougall was named after his mothers father. On the marriage cert. of Dougall Adams and Flora Livingstone Oct. 25, 1878 it also states Dougalls parents were James Adams and Catherine Livingstone. Flora's parents were John and Catherine Livingstone.
I also found birth and death record for a James Henry Adams son of Dougal Adams and Flora Livingstone, he was born June 1, 1889 and died March 23, 1958 Mull River. The informant on John Henry Adams was his sister Mary E. Adams of Hillsborough.
This information was taken from Nova Scotia vital records.
Jewel
I did see Catherine Jane Adams 1849-1940 tombstone at the Hillsborough Pioneer Cemetery and the stone stated she was the wife of James Adams. Her death record is also on the Vital records for Nova Scotia. She was the second wife of James Adams. he was a widow when he married her in 1869. The marriage record is also on the vital records for Nova Scotia they married in 1869, she was 19 and James was 41.
Dougal Adams, b. Dec. 25,1856 and died May 23rd, 1928 was the son of James Adams & his first wife who was also a Catherine Livingstone. Catherine was the daughter of a Dougall Livingstone of Cape George. So Dougall was named after his mothers father. On the marriage cert. of Dougall Adams and Flora Livingstone Oct. 25, 1878 it also states Dougalls parents were James Adams and Catherine Livingstone. Flora's parents were John and Catherine Livingstone.
I also found birth and death record for a James Henry Adams son of Dougal Adams and Flora Livingstone, he was born June 1, 1889 and died March 23, 1958 Mull River. The informant on John Henry Adams was his sister Mary E. Adams of Hillsborough.
This information was taken from Nova Scotia vital records.
Jewel
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Donald;
I have this record dated Sept. 30. 2007 - See: FIP, p.219; HAR, p.161; HIC, p.260. In the Militia Roll of June 1, 1813, John Livingstone, weaver, age 37, b. Scotland and living in Judique, had a wife, 1 son and 5 daughters; at that time. He had 300 acres of land, by license; of which 20 acres were cleared. He had a horse, 2 horned cattle and 4 sheep.
The 1818 Census states that he had been on the Island for 15 years previously.
John had 2 brothers: Malcolm who settled at Cape George and another brother Donald who settled in PEI. John descendents are Catholic and Malcolm's are mainly Prodestant.
Conclusion: His age,37, on the Militia Roll would make him born 1776 or thereabouts. More later......
Regards;
Roberta
I have this record dated Sept. 30. 2007 - See: FIP, p.219; HAR, p.161; HIC, p.260. In the Militia Roll of June 1, 1813, John Livingstone, weaver, age 37, b. Scotland and living in Judique, had a wife, 1 son and 5 daughters; at that time. He had 300 acres of land, by license; of which 20 acres were cleared. He had a horse, 2 horned cattle and 4 sheep.
The 1818 Census states that he had been on the Island for 15 years previously.
John had 2 brothers: Malcolm who settled at Cape George and another brother Donald who settled in PEI. John descendents are Catholic and Malcolm's are mainly Prodestant.
Conclusion: His age,37, on the Militia Roll would make him born 1776 or thereabouts. More later......
Regards;
Roberta
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Donald;
Grantee: Livingstone, John Year 1814 Item no. 1011 Mfm no: 15791
Petition to Swayne: Petitioner was born in Scotland and came to Port Hood with his family in 1805. Caption Hugh Watts placed petitioner on a lot of land and afterwards relinquished the lot to him, 300 acres at Little Judique. The land is licensed to Captain Watts and the petitioner asks a lease in his own name. A second petition, undated, states that he purchased the lot from Captian Watts and asks another lot for fire wood. He has six children. Report of Crawley to Smyth: 340 acres on Little Judique River. Plan
Conculsion: I believe that the 1805 date is wrong, a typo maybe. I believe he was in Judique 1803 from Cape George.
Also his son Malcolm was born 1803 in Judique and died in Judique. Before that his son, Angus, died age 10. and 2 daughters died. The other 2 daughters, Mary and Sarah were born before Malcolm b. 1803.
Sarah married Rory MacDonald of Low Point: they had no children.
Mary Married John MacDonald of Judique Banks.
John is buried at Cape George/Arisaig.
1827 Census - Arisaig
Livingston, Allan 4 males 6 females Roman Catholic.
Livingston, Allan 5 males 3 females Presbyterian
Livingston, Dougald 3 males 2 females Roman Catholic
Livingston, Duncan 1 male 2 females 1 born in the previous 12 months Presbyterian
Livingston, Duncan 3 males 2 females 1 servant Presbyterian
Livingston, Zera? 0 males 2 females widow Prodestant
Regards;
Roberta
Grantee: Livingstone, John Year 1814 Item no. 1011 Mfm no: 15791
Petition to Swayne: Petitioner was born in Scotland and came to Port Hood with his family in 1805. Caption Hugh Watts placed petitioner on a lot of land and afterwards relinquished the lot to him, 300 acres at Little Judique. The land is licensed to Captain Watts and the petitioner asks a lease in his own name. A second petition, undated, states that he purchased the lot from Captian Watts and asks another lot for fire wood. He has six children. Report of Crawley to Smyth: 340 acres on Little Judique River. Plan
Conculsion: I believe that the 1805 date is wrong, a typo maybe. I believe he was in Judique 1803 from Cape George.
Also his son Malcolm was born 1803 in Judique and died in Judique. Before that his son, Angus, died age 10. and 2 daughters died. The other 2 daughters, Mary and Sarah were born before Malcolm b. 1803.
Sarah married Rory MacDonald of Low Point: they had no children.
Mary Married John MacDonald of Judique Banks.
John is buried at Cape George/Arisaig.
1827 Census - Arisaig
Livingston, Allan 4 males 6 females Roman Catholic.
Livingston, Allan 5 males 3 females Presbyterian
Livingston, Dougald 3 males 2 females Roman Catholic
Livingston, Duncan 1 male 2 females 1 born in the previous 12 months Presbyterian
Livingston, Duncan 3 males 2 females 1 servant Presbyterian
Livingston, Zera? 0 males 2 females widow Prodestant
Regards;
Roberta
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Donald;
1818 Census C.B. Island lists John Livingston age 45 on the Island 15 years b. Scotland. Living Little Judique, Weaver, married 6 in the family.
The Militia Roll has him 37 in 1818.
At least there are 2 confirmations of his being in Cape Breton in 1803.
Regards;
Roberta
1818 Census C.B. Island lists John Livingston age 45 on the Island 15 years b. Scotland. Living Little Judique, Weaver, married 6 in the family.
The Militia Roll has him 37 in 1818.
At least there are 2 confirmations of his being in Cape Breton in 1803.
Regards;
Roberta
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Roberta and Jewel.
I have seen 1773 for John Livingston of Judique. I think off the top my head someone had submitted a date of about 1776 for the Mull RIver pioneer John Livingston whom some say married Mary Campbell and I say married Catharine Campbell. Regarding that tombstone the fact that old Kate is buried there and her death date indicates that the stone was erected not before 1912 and possibly the other entries may have been educated guesses added later. From what I understood there was no original stone for the oldtimers in Mabou Cemetery though it is believed they were at some point buried there and perhaps the stone disappearedd. I would assume that Old Kate was buried beside her husband John Livingston Jr. 1800-1854 who died almost 60 years earlier and that is probably the case. Whether his father and mother are buried in the same plot may or may not be. The father the original John Livingston Sr. died around 1840 and I have interestingly enough two Catharines listed a Catherine and Kitty lIVINGSTON listed in the 1861 Census at MABOU householders. This further suggests to me that one of them is the widow of JOhn Livingston Jr. who died around 1854 or at least between 1854 and 1860 as I have suggest at Mabou and the other Catharine must be the older widow of John Livingston Sr. who died in 1840 and is said to have been buried in MABOU Cemetery. Again no widow Mary in the 1861 Census at Mabou but a Catharine and a Kitty which would make sense in the 1850's and early 1860's if one subscribes to my theory two Catharine widows or more precisely one Catharine and one Kitty same thing. Kitty is just a nickname for Catharine. Catharine, Kitty, Kate etc. So i guess the two Catharines or a Kitty and a Catharine we see at Mabou in 1861 Census is yet another piece of evidence to support my argument .
Dr. St. Clair I dont think is very well at the moment and hesitate to present him with this startling bit of new information but I think he will be interested that we have I think found strong evidence to the support the existence of another Livingston a Colin Livingston at Whycocomagh that was not discussed in the earlier Mabou published research. The Cape Breton Historical Society did to their credit make note of his existence in the 1861 Census so obviously we cant take the credit for being the first locate Colin in this Whycocomagh Census. Fact some other Cape Breton thought they saw Barry's ancestor in that census and then even if had some doubts that that was Colin Livingston in the Whyccomagh Census because I grant you it is smudged, Barry found Colins obituary which states that Colin was living in Whycocomagh prior to going to PEI. So that pretty much reinforces my belief that that smudged entry hard as it is I grant you to read is infact that of COlin Livingston. Anyways I think we couild put together the new information on this Mull River Whycocomagh family which evidence to back it up but I hesitate because the timing is probably not the best. What I have tried to do was to help Barry sort of his ancestry and we kinda of just went through and researched all the families in the area and based on the record there and in Mull this is what I saw. There is lot of evidence here to make the case I do for John Livingston and Catherine Campbell who left Kilninian and Kilmore in 1821 for Nova Scotia according to a Mull Record I have seen and have a copy of as being the couple who settled with their family at Mull River, INverness County, Cape Breton about three years later. The timing is perfect and the names and ages of the sons almost perfect as in the Kilninian and Kilmore Parish records.
regards,
Donald
I have seen 1773 for John Livingston of Judique. I think off the top my head someone had submitted a date of about 1776 for the Mull RIver pioneer John Livingston whom some say married Mary Campbell and I say married Catharine Campbell. Regarding that tombstone the fact that old Kate is buried there and her death date indicates that the stone was erected not before 1912 and possibly the other entries may have been educated guesses added later. From what I understood there was no original stone for the oldtimers in Mabou Cemetery though it is believed they were at some point buried there and perhaps the stone disappearedd. I would assume that Old Kate was buried beside her husband John Livingston Jr. 1800-1854 who died almost 60 years earlier and that is probably the case. Whether his father and mother are buried in the same plot may or may not be. The father the original John Livingston Sr. died around 1840 and I have interestingly enough two Catharines listed a Catherine and Kitty lIVINGSTON listed in the 1861 Census at MABOU householders. This further suggests to me that one of them is the widow of JOhn Livingston Jr. who died around 1854 or at least between 1854 and 1860 as I have suggest at Mabou and the other Catharine must be the older widow of John Livingston Sr. who died in 1840 and is said to have been buried in MABOU Cemetery. Again no widow Mary in the 1861 Census at Mabou but a Catharine and a Kitty which would make sense in the 1850's and early 1860's if one subscribes to my theory two Catharine widows or more precisely one Catharine and one Kitty same thing. Kitty is just a nickname for Catharine. Catharine, Kitty, Kate etc. So i guess the two Catharines or a Kitty and a Catharine we see at Mabou in 1861 Census is yet another piece of evidence to support my argument .
Dr. St. Clair I dont think is very well at the moment and hesitate to present him with this startling bit of new information but I think he will be interested that we have I think found strong evidence to the support the existence of another Livingston a Colin Livingston at Whycocomagh that was not discussed in the earlier Mabou published research. The Cape Breton Historical Society did to their credit make note of his existence in the 1861 Census so obviously we cant take the credit for being the first locate Colin in this Whycocomagh Census. Fact some other Cape Breton thought they saw Barry's ancestor in that census and then even if had some doubts that that was Colin Livingston in the Whyccomagh Census because I grant you it is smudged, Barry found Colins obituary which states that Colin was living in Whycocomagh prior to going to PEI. So that pretty much reinforces my belief that that smudged entry hard as it is I grant you to read is infact that of COlin Livingston. Anyways I think we couild put together the new information on this Mull River Whycocomagh family which evidence to back it up but I hesitate because the timing is probably not the best. What I have tried to do was to help Barry sort of his ancestry and we kinda of just went through and researched all the families in the area and based on the record there and in Mull this is what I saw. There is lot of evidence here to make the case I do for John Livingston and Catherine Campbell who left Kilninian and Kilmore in 1821 for Nova Scotia according to a Mull Record I have seen and have a copy of as being the couple who settled with their family at Mull River, INverness County, Cape Breton about three years later. The timing is perfect and the names and ages of the sons almost perfect as in the Kilninian and Kilmore Parish records.
regards,
Donald
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Maryann,
Yes if the information is correct a father and son Adams married two Livingston sisters. I thought that odd also but that is what I saw.
regards,
Donald
Yes if the information is correct a father and son Adams married two Livingston sisters. I thought that odd also but that is what I saw.
regards,
Donald
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Jewel,
DO you have access to the vital records of Prince Edward Island? I am looking for an Angus Livingston who died after 1911 in Forest Hill or Dundas, KIngs County, PEI, possibly before 1940.
regards,
Donald
DO you have access to the vital records of Prince Edward Island? I am looking for an Angus Livingston who died after 1911 in Forest Hill or Dundas, KIngs County, PEI, possibly before 1940.
regards,
Donald
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Mary Ann,
Well it looks like parts of Mabou Pioneers that you mentioned arent too far removed from what I am saying regarding your earliest ancestor John Livingston Sr. dying about 1840. He was probably the first of that family buried in the old Mabou Cemetery. I have seen the 1840 date published elsewhere for him. Also the author acknowledges that John's wife was either Mary or Catharine Campbell
regards,
Donald
Well it looks like parts of Mabou Pioneers that you mentioned arent too far removed from what I am saying regarding your earliest ancestor John Livingston Sr. dying about 1840. He was probably the first of that family buried in the old Mabou Cemetery. I have seen the 1840 date published elsewhere for him. Also the author acknowledges that John's wife was either Mary or Catharine Campbell
regards,
Donald