Hi Roberta,
I would think weve pretty much covered the Mull River Livingstons including (Mary) Catharine Livingston in our previous posting. Actually it is not one person with two name but the original error as I have traced is that they are actually two different Killian and Kilmore Parish, Mull residents one being a Mary Campbell married to a John Livingston and a Catharine Campbell married to John Livingston. I believe based on the information i have presented in previous postings that JOhn and Catharine Livingston settled at Mull River. Unfortunately the published accounts state that it was John Livingston and Mary Campbell of Mull that settled at Mull River in 1824. This I do not believe to be correct based the census info and other information I have seen. Thats pretty much about it.
regards,
Donald
Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hello everyone,
Just wanted to wish all of my "Forum Friends" a happy and peaceful holiday. I also uploaded the cemetery picture of the grave stone of Pioneer John Livingstone in the Pioneer Hillsborough cemetery in Mabou. Thought Maryann might like to see it. I thought I was entering it on the folder for Cemeteries but somehow it ended up under Ancestors so that is where it can be found.
Jewel
Just wanted to wish all of my "Forum Friends" a happy and peaceful holiday. I also uploaded the cemetery picture of the grave stone of Pioneer John Livingstone in the Pioneer Hillsborough cemetery in Mabou. Thought Maryann might like to see it. I thought I was entering it on the folder for Cemeteries but somehow it ended up under Ancestors so that is where it can be found.
Jewel
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hello Roberta, Jewel and Mary-Ann,
Hope everyone is having a happy and restfull holiday.
I have been here and there between families over the last couple of days but have seen your latest postings. The Mabou stone looks to be the original stone erected in 1912 for old Kate. Certainly it dates from the early 20th century. I understand that the earlier stones if they were there marking John Livingston Sr. and John Livingston Jr. of Mull River (S.E.Mabou) who died before 1860 must have been broken or lost over the years. Dr. St. Clair who lived in the area all of his life could not recall having seen original stones for these two pioneers.
regards,
Donald
Hope everyone is having a happy and restfull holiday.
I have been here and there between families over the last couple of days but have seen your latest postings. The Mabou stone looks to be the original stone erected in 1912 for old Kate. Certainly it dates from the early 20th century. I understand that the earlier stones if they were there marking John Livingston Sr. and John Livingston Jr. of Mull River (S.E.Mabou) who died before 1860 must have been broken or lost over the years. Dr. St. Clair who lived in the area all of his life could not recall having seen original stones for these two pioneers.
regards,
Donald
Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
High Maryanne,
I somehow lost your e-mail address so I did a private message to you with my e-mail address so you can send me your e-mail address and then I will send you the picture.
Jewel
I somehow lost your e-mail address so I did a private message to you with my e-mail address so you can send me your e-mail address and then I will send you the picture.
Jewel
Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Maryanne,
Well that was nice that you found Annie Livingston's record. I know it is a long shot but since Duncans name is on the stone the cemetery might be of help. Did you try to track down a phone # for the cemetery? They might have something in their records for Duncan. They usually keep records of the purchase of the stone such as when it was purchased and who purchased it. It is worth a try. I'll keep an eye out when I'm on the N.S.G.H. society site also.
Jewel
Well that was nice that you found Annie Livingston's record. I know it is a long shot but since Duncans name is on the stone the cemetery might be of help. Did you try to track down a phone # for the cemetery? They might have something in their records for Duncan. They usually keep records of the purchase of the stone such as when it was purchased and who purchased it. It is worth a try. I'll keep an eye out when I'm on the N.S.G.H. society site also.
Jewel
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Jewel and Mary Anne,
Yes I am curious about the history of the stone. Good luck in your search. If I find out anything in the mean time that proves helpful to you I will let you. I dont know of a Duncan son of John Livingston Sr. The only Duncan Livingston from Mull River I know of is that of John LIvingston and old Kate's son Duncan that if I understand correctly is Mary Anne's ancestor.
The cemetery board or township group responsible for that cemetery, if there is one, may or may not have a detailed listing of everyone buried in that cemetery. Frequently with old pioneer cemeteries no comprehensive record book of burials survives and it is left up local historical societies to try and create their own list out of what old stones still remain in these often overgrown and abandoned cemeteries. I know for the earlier Livingston burials at that old cemetery there are not likely any records.
regards,
Donald
Yes I am curious about the history of the stone. Good luck in your search. If I find out anything in the mean time that proves helpful to you I will let you. I dont know of a Duncan son of John Livingston Sr. The only Duncan Livingston from Mull River I know of is that of John LIvingston and old Kate's son Duncan that if I understand correctly is Mary Anne's ancestor.
The cemetery board or township group responsible for that cemetery, if there is one, may or may not have a detailed listing of everyone buried in that cemetery. Frequently with old pioneer cemeteries no comprehensive record book of burials survives and it is left up local historical societies to try and create their own list out of what old stones still remain in these often overgrown and abandoned cemeteries. I know for the earlier Livingston burials at that old cemetery there are not likely any records.
regards,
Donald
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Maryanne;
Re: Duncan Ivingstone born 1841.
I have been following your pursuit of your G Great Grandfather, Duncan.
I have conluded that he married Mary Agnes O Connell around 1865. He became a US citizen. Duncan went home, for what ever reason, around 1870. He impregnated Anne McDonald. Married her in 1874, even tho he was all ready married, he stayed around for 4 years then left and boarded a ship in Montreal; bound for the Port of New York.
Duncan landed at New York April 20, 1878. This information is contained in the Manifest of the Captain Samuel Brooks.
Duncan is listed as a US citizen, age 37. His occupation is listed as Mechanic.
The Ship was the SS Montreal.
What do you think, Maryanne?
Regards;
Roberta
Re: Duncan Ivingstone born 1841.
I have been following your pursuit of your G Great Grandfather, Duncan.
I have conluded that he married Mary Agnes O Connell around 1865. He became a US citizen. Duncan went home, for what ever reason, around 1870. He impregnated Anne McDonald. Married her in 1874, even tho he was all ready married, he stayed around for 4 years then left and boarded a ship in Montreal; bound for the Port of New York.
Duncan landed at New York April 20, 1878. This information is contained in the Manifest of the Captain Samuel Brooks.
Duncan is listed as a US citizen, age 37. His occupation is listed as Mechanic.
The Ship was the SS Montreal.
What do you think, Maryanne?
Regards;
Roberta
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Maryanne;
The reason that I advanced my conclusion was the picture of the tombstone. It acknowleged Annie but there are no dates under Duncan name. Their long lost son, Duncan.
His name would have been recorded by the Captain, so whether it is e or no e; it is what was recorded by the Captain with no e. The Captain probably wrote down what he heard and wrote his name as he did.
Roberta
The reason that I advanced my conclusion was the picture of the tombstone. It acknowleged Annie but there are no dates under Duncan name. Their long lost son, Duncan.
His name would have been recorded by the Captain, so whether it is e or no e; it is what was recorded by the Captain with no e. The Captain probably wrote down what he heard and wrote his name as he did.
Roberta
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Maryanne;
Oh, I wouldn't waste time looking in Quebec, Canada for Duncan. Although, he could be in the 1881 Census for New York State. After all; when you think about this and if it is Duncan then why didn't he go to Boston. He went to New York. Perhaps because of all the construction going on; he could easily get a job.
Boston was a popular place to settle, by all accounts, for Maritimers.
So no, I don't think he would have come back to Canada. Although, his parents probably prayed that he would come back.
Regards;
Roberta
Oh, I wouldn't waste time looking in Quebec, Canada for Duncan. Although, he could be in the 1881 Census for New York State. After all; when you think about this and if it is Duncan then why didn't he go to Boston. He went to New York. Perhaps because of all the construction going on; he could easily get a job.
Boston was a popular place to settle, by all accounts, for Maritimers.
So no, I don't think he would have come back to Canada. Although, his parents probably prayed that he would come back.
Regards;
Roberta
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi All,
See Roberta's earlier research on this subject included in her September 30th 2009 posting in which she noted that Duncan Livingston b.1841 (son of John Livingston Jr. and old Kate of Livingstone Mountain, Mull River (Mabou)) married Mary McDonald May 10, 1874 at Vale Colliery in Pictou County, Nova Scotia. Interesting that we could not find him in the 1881 Canadian Census anywhere. I guess he really did disappear.
The mine was opened in 1872 by the Vale Coal and Iron Manufacturing Company of Montreal who also established housing for the miners and their families at this time. The mine was operational by 1874 which interesting because that is when Duncan Livingston and Mary McDonald were married and that same year had their first child a boy John also at Vale Colliery as Roberta discovered. Later in 1886 this mining town became officially known as Thorburn.
regards,
DOnald
See Roberta's earlier research on this subject included in her September 30th 2009 posting in which she noted that Duncan Livingston b.1841 (son of John Livingston Jr. and old Kate of Livingstone Mountain, Mull River (Mabou)) married Mary McDonald May 10, 1874 at Vale Colliery in Pictou County, Nova Scotia. Interesting that we could not find him in the 1881 Canadian Census anywhere. I guess he really did disappear.
The mine was opened in 1872 by the Vale Coal and Iron Manufacturing Company of Montreal who also established housing for the miners and their families at this time. The mine was operational by 1874 which interesting because that is when Duncan Livingston and Mary McDonald were married and that same year had their first child a boy John also at Vale Colliery as Roberta discovered. Later in 1886 this mining town became officially known as Thorburn.
regards,
DOnald