Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi All,

If Duncan had died somewhere in Nova Scotia before 1908 the death was not officially registered in any event with the Government of Nova Scotia so likely unless the family received notice from next of kin or a friend there is a distinct possibility they might never have known what really happened to him and when. This was probably the situation with a lot of drifters and homeless men. Just a thought. Of course I agree he could have gone to another province or just vanished somewhere in the States.

Regarding the SS Montreal information that ROberta has located, the age of the passenger Duncan Livingston is right on with what Duncan would have been in 1878 although I would have thought he would still have been a Canadian citizen. Nevertheless interesting possibility that is worth following up on. Perhaps he shows up in later records in that State or others.

regards,

Donald

[Roberta Ann]

Hi Maryanne;

Google--Cape Breton Cemeteries -- then Hillsboro.


Regards;

Roberta

[Roberta Ann]

Hi Maryanne;

No, Maryanne, I don't have further information on Mary Agnus O'Connell. Although, if Duncan married an American then he would automaticly become an US citizen.

Maryanne, may I suggest that you go back and read; from page 1, all of the posts concerning your 3rd grandfather. With all the information that has been accumulated, your eyes will be, if I may say, fresher.

Regards;

Roberta

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hello Mary Ann,

I would suspect that Catharine Livingston's son Hugh who lived and farmed on the family farm at Mull River/Mabou purchased the stone in 1912 when she died or sometime thereafter but I dont know for certain. The other question of course is how long the family had the cemetery plot and who is buried there but that might be even more difficult to ascertain. It is more often than not difficult to locate original cemetery records particulary in the case of old pioneer cemeteries. An individual or a local historical society may years later attempt to copy information from old cemetery stones and put a book together but that is often years after the fact.

One assumes from the information on the stone that Catharine (Old Kate)was buried there after her wake at her home on Livingston Mountain,Mull River in 1912. I think that the funeral of old Kate was a major event in the community I understood as she was very old and both admired and feared by those in area. Some local folks believed her to be an old witch and it is said that at the time of her funeral they covered the mirrors in her house.

Presumingly her husband John who apparently died around 1855 is buried at that cemetery. Makes sense she would be buried with her husband and that there would be room for her beside him some 57 years later. Whether anyone even remembered where Old Kate's father in law and mother in law were buried I am not so sure. John Livington Senior died about 1840 in Mabou according to one published account. Though the stone refers to Catharine's mother in law as Mary Livingston I am not so certain. THere certainly is some info which supports the notion her name was Catharine.

Even more interesting however is the fact that there are two female Catharine Livingston householders in the 1861 Census at Mabou almost certainly widowed householders and none of them named Mary. One is the census goes by the nick name "Kitty" and the other goes by the name Catharine. I had hoped to find John Liviingston's Senior's widow Mary and John Livingston Juniors widow old Kate in the 1861 Census . What I found instead interestingly enough were two female householders presumingly widow's both apparently named Catharine as "Kitty" is a nickname for Catharine. This follows the neighbouring Whycocomagh ALexander Livingston family info from their original imigration document from 1821 recording a John Livingston and Catharine Campbell had paid their passage aboard a ship destined to take them to Pictou Nova Scotia from Mull. I was told this not a photocopy but an "original document from Mull" that had been in the neighbouring Whycocomagh, Inverness County, Cape Breton family for years. THree of four sons of this John Livingston and Catharine Campbell were according to the parish records of Kilninian and Kilmore were John, Alexander and Colin and by the strangest coincidence 30 years later after this family settled in Nova Scotia there was a John Alexander and Colin lvings in the Mull RIver/WHycocomagh area in close proximity to one another in Inverness County, Cape Breton. If this is not correct then this ranks as the most bizarre coincidence in the history of Nova Scotia.

regards,

Donald

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Mary Ann,
Its great to have that photo and all the others that Roberta, Jewel and others have submitted. Have you looked through the whole Maclea Livingstone Gallery on our website. We have a tombstone for old Donald Livingston a Selkirk Settler that was on the boat to Canada in 1812 with my Great-great-great grandfather Miles Livingston b.1775. I must ask his great-great-great nephew to send us that one. I also have an old photo of one of Miles Livingstons sons sent by a descendant to me last year.
Thank you for that. Yes we have a death date for old John Senior of either 1840 or 1848. So we can safely conclude that he probably died in the 1840's whichever date is correct. Much of that information is what Dr. St. Clair told me as well. In my last conversations I mentioned Barry's ancestor Colin Livingston living in Whycocomagh according to his obituary and Dr. St. Clair also saw the obituary but was not aware that in addition to Alexander of Whycocomagh that there was a Colin Liivngston of Whycocomagh. Nevertheless I felt there was strong case given that it would be unlikely that Colin's widow and his two sons who lived in PEi when he died there would not know where Colin originated. They would obviously know only too well that Colin lived in Whycocomagh near Mull River/Mabou before acquiring land in PEI in the 1860's It was Barry's contacts with the forum last year, his subsequent research as well as Dr. St. Clairs groundbreaking research that caused me to putting pieces of this jigsaw puzzle together and realizing a possible link between the neighbouring Mull River and Whycocomagh families as well as the fact brought clearly to me by Barry's family that his ancestor Collin Livingston lived at Whycocomagh near Alexander Livingston prior to settling in PEI in the 1860's. So none of this could have happened without looking carefully at both Dr. St. Clairs research and that of Barry's.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Mary Anne,

There is also a old Mabou cemetery where the original Mabou settlers were buried. I have seen a photo of it. I wonder if that is a different cemetery or the same one. I will check the Mabou information I have on file regarding cemeteries. Going to be busy with New Years festivities but will be back to the forum in the New Year. Thanks for your information. Happy New Year !

regards,

Donald

[Roberta Ann]

Hi Maryanne;

As you know I enrolled my brother in the DNA McLea/Livingstone Project.

Andrew discusses the Project members with information that he receives from the Testees.

There is a member Kit#107477.

This person states that he is the Grandson of Duncan Livingstone who married Mary Agnus O'Connell.

If you go to the Clan Web and click on DNA analysis, then move down to the #107477 you will see what I have read and Andrew has posted.

Regards;

Roberta

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Mary Ann,

Duncan b. 1841 may have died before 1908 but it might be worthwhile to have a search done for a death record for Duncan Livingston for Nova Scotia as well as Massachussetts. Perhaps you have already done so.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Roberta,

Surprisingly 107477 does not match with our Parker highland Livingston DNA test group given their likely Mull Scotland origins.

regards,

Donald

[Roberta Ann]

Hi Donald;

Yes, I realize that and it is really wierd. Something is not right, all right. I wonder if Andrew is in touch with him.

Regards;

Roberta