Bachall vs Buachaille & DNA

[Rob Livingston2]

As I was searching through the Sorenson DNA Database, I came across a 25 of 28 match (pretty close!) between our Clan chief (Alastair Livingston of Bachuil) and an Englishman named "Herdsman".

[Grant South1]

That's a great find Rob. Yes, I think the relationship of names to DNA is really so exciting. I am sure Moncrieffe as a genealogist would have jumped for joy in being able to trace the old pedigree's and reconstruct once lost branches with their respective stems. Has Mr Herdsman been contacted about his surprise Y-DNA result! All the best. Grant.

[Kyle2 MacLea]

Allow me to echo Grant in saying this is a great find.

[Rob Livingston2]

Though it was a great idea, like so many times before, I'm going to have to recant.

[Grant South1]

Rob, Interesting link. My Clee/Clea and Clay family from Donegal were catholic and their descendant Margaret Clee Ferrie later married in Neilston, Renfrew. I have been looking at the possibility that this line descends from the Lindsaig cadets as the name is found from 1659 on. We know the son's of the senior line of the Barons McLea of Lindsaig, fought under Campbell of Argyll for the King of Spain in the 1620's. The mother of these McLeas of Lindsaig one of whom is recorded to have settled in Donegal was Catherine. One of my ancestors was named Catherine Clee. I find in Black's a mention of MacClee. Ewen M'Clee witnessed an instrument of sasine of the lands of Tollard Begg in 1478. This in found on p24 in the Lamont papers 1231-1897. I think this may provide another link for my MacClee's and the MacLea's of Lindsaig. This provides a record of the name variant; 1.Both sides of Gaeldom. Scot & Donegal 2.Support by right time period.pre 1620. 3.Right religious denomination. 4.Right location of name variant to the Lindsaig Barony suppported by Lamont papers. 5.Probable continuity of maternal forename. As you know in Gaelic genealogy 5 out of 5 is pretty good going. Thank you for sharing your research, a good example of possible results! All the very best!

[Rob Livingston2]

Interesting item, "Tollard" is the old spelling of what is now called Toward Castle - the stronghold of Clan Lamont. "oll" is often converted to an "ow" sound in Scots-Gaelic.

[Grant South1]

Well we now have. 1. A record of Ewen M'Clee in the 15thc., as witness to a sasine of lands connected to the Clan Lamont stronghold. 2.We have a record of the catholic Lindsaig branch in Donegal by the 1620's. 3.By 1789 we have records of the Clee and Clea families in Raphoe, Donegal. 4. Families in the Tollard Beg area share the same