Dr. David Livingston
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Re: Dr. David Livingston
Thank you Donald for your information. I am very grateful for all the help you may be able to offer. It is like unravelling a mystery. Could you please tell me what the source film numbers and the indexing project batch means and if this means you can look entries up on micro film ? I have found a few conflicting pieces of information as I have been looking so I have been making sure that I cross reference anything I find. If these micro film can be looked up it could be that they are original document copies which could be hard to read and therefore misinterpreted. Being only a novice to this I would be more than grateful for any advice. Personally I really don't care who my descendants are other than to be as accurate as information allows. I feel I have moved into rather a grey area now and I don't want to try to fit square pegs into round holes. I will continue to research all possibilities as this has me hooked in. Very addictive. Casa
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Re: Dr. David Livingston
Hi Carol,
The Church of Latter Day Saints has a huge microfilm collection of family records and the films that you speak of are all organized and indentified by a film number. You just have to know the film number for the Parish records on microfilm you wish to order from the Church collection which is located in Utah. You can either order the microfilm reels from a one of the CHurch of Latter Day Saints family history centres which are located in many major cities and then view the reels there or via some public libraries which can help order the films for you for use in their library. You should bear in mind that many of the records are copied from original parish records but a great many of the family records are also submitted from secondary sources and from someone's family research and may not be correct. If it does not indicate that the information from the Latter Day Saints LDS (familysearch.org) is not copied from the original parish records you cant be certain it is 100% accurate. I have researched a number of the my kin over the years using family search and it is has been a tremendous benefit and help to me but everyone that uses this service has to be aware and carefull because there are some errors on the site particulary with family submissions not copied directly from original parish records. The other thing if you are lucky enough to be near a LDS family history library centre or a public library that can order the microfilm reels for you it take several weeks to get the reels.
The other option that some of our Clan members utilize is Scotlands People which is an online service whereby for a small fee you can access the original parish records birth, baptisms, marriages and deaths and access copies of the original records which is a terrific family research tool. I have however already checked the parish records for your GIlbert Currie and Catharine LIvingston on the Isle of Islay. I am not certain there is much more that we have not located. I will take another look. Sometimes something gets missed and it is sometimes worth taking another look.
regards,
Donald
The Church of Latter Day Saints has a huge microfilm collection of family records and the films that you speak of are all organized and indentified by a film number. You just have to know the film number for the Parish records on microfilm you wish to order from the Church collection which is located in Utah. You can either order the microfilm reels from a one of the CHurch of Latter Day Saints family history centres which are located in many major cities and then view the reels there or via some public libraries which can help order the films for you for use in their library. You should bear in mind that many of the records are copied from original parish records but a great many of the family records are also submitted from secondary sources and from someone's family research and may not be correct. If it does not indicate that the information from the Latter Day Saints LDS (familysearch.org) is not copied from the original parish records you cant be certain it is 100% accurate. I have researched a number of the my kin over the years using family search and it is has been a tremendous benefit and help to me but everyone that uses this service has to be aware and carefull because there are some errors on the site particulary with family submissions not copied directly from original parish records. The other thing if you are lucky enough to be near a LDS family history library centre or a public library that can order the microfilm reels for you it take several weeks to get the reels.
The other option that some of our Clan members utilize is Scotlands People which is an online service whereby for a small fee you can access the original parish records birth, baptisms, marriages and deaths and access copies of the original records which is a terrific family research tool. I have however already checked the parish records for your GIlbert Currie and Catharine LIvingston on the Isle of Islay. I am not certain there is much more that we have not located. I will take another look. Sometimes something gets missed and it is sometimes worth taking another look.
regards,
Donald
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Hi Carol,
This is the Catharine Livingston born abt. 1794 at Kilmore and Kibride Parish, Argyllshire resided at Oban there with parents and Donald Livingston and Catharine maiden name Livingston and later moved with family to Blantyre works, Blantyre, Lanarkshire where her father Donald worked as a Dye worker.
Catharine McPhail widow daughter of Donald Livingston and Catharine maiden name Livingston died age 61 October 2, 1856 Shuttle Row, Blantyre Works, Lanarkshire. (This was the information from the original death record) In the 1851 Scottish Census she is recorded as Mrs McPhail born at Oban (which is in Kilmore and Kilbride Parish) and is living in Blantyre, Lanarkshire.
This death record which I located recently corresponds with Steve Wilson's research and assertion that the eldest child of Donald Livingston and Catharine Livingston of Oban, Kilbride and Kilmore Parish later of Blantyre WOrks, Blantyre Parish, Lanarkshire, Catharine Livingston married a Hugh McPhail and resided in Blantyre Works, Lanarkshire in the 1800's.
regards,
This is the Catharine Livingston born abt. 1794 at Kilmore and Kibride Parish, Argyllshire resided at Oban there with parents and Donald Livingston and Catharine maiden name Livingston and later moved with family to Blantyre works, Blantyre, Lanarkshire where her father Donald worked as a Dye worker.
Catharine McPhail widow daughter of Donald Livingston and Catharine maiden name Livingston died age 61 October 2, 1856 Shuttle Row, Blantyre Works, Lanarkshire. (This was the information from the original death record) In the 1851 Scottish Census she is recorded as Mrs McPhail born at Oban (which is in Kilmore and Kilbride Parish) and is living in Blantyre, Lanarkshire.
This death record which I located recently corresponds with Steve Wilson's research and assertion that the eldest child of Donald Livingston and Catharine Livingston of Oban, Kilbride and Kilmore Parish later of Blantyre WOrks, Blantyre Parish, Lanarkshire, Catharine Livingston married a Hugh McPhail and resided in Blantyre Works, Lanarkshire in the 1800's.
regards,
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Thank you Donald you are a great help.
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Re: Dr. David Livingston
Hi Carol,
There was a Duncan Livingston and his wife Christian Beaton at Lettermore Mull circa 1800 who had a daughter Catharine baptised in 1800 at Lettermore, Kilninian and Kilmore, Mull and I thinking that this Duncan might be Neal Livingston and Mary Morrison's son Duncan as Neil and Mary Livingston lived at Lettermore village in the 1770's. This Catharine is about the same age as the Catharine Livingston married to Gilbert Currie at Bowmore Islay according to the census records but unfortunatley the census records indicate that Catherine like here husband Gilbert Currie was born at Bowmore, Isle of Islay.
regards,
Donald
There was a Duncan Livingston and his wife Christian Beaton at Lettermore Mull circa 1800 who had a daughter Catharine baptised in 1800 at Lettermore, Kilninian and Kilmore, Mull and I thinking that this Duncan might be Neal Livingston and Mary Morrison's son Duncan as Neil and Mary Livingston lived at Lettermore village in the 1770's. This Catharine is about the same age as the Catharine Livingston married to Gilbert Currie at Bowmore Islay according to the census records but unfortunatley the census records indicate that Catherine like here husband Gilbert Currie was born at Bowmore, Isle of Islay.
regards,
Donald
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Hi Donald, Thanks for that information. I will definately look into it, but I am getting totally confused at this point, so I decided to start again from Gilbert and Catherine on Catherine's mothers side. First I will make list of all the facts I am definate of. It can all be a little frustrating but from this I have found out so much about Scotland and her people and feel very proud that I have come from such a rich history. Would love to visit as Scotland looks so beautiful. Will let you know if I have any breakthroughs. casa
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Re: Dr. David Livingston
Hi Carol,
I was hoping that the Census records would help me to locate Catharine's baptismal records. The Islay census records indicated she was born at Bowmore, Islay but checking the surviving baptismal records for Bowmore (Kilarrow Parish) I could not find her. THe census records which give the origin point of birth was the best chance to determine where Gilbert Curries wife Catharine was born. But unfortunately when got to the Kilarrow Parish records she was not there.
regards,
Donald
I was hoping that the Census records would help me to locate Catharine's baptismal records. The Islay census records indicated she was born at Bowmore, Islay but checking the surviving baptismal records for Bowmore (Kilarrow Parish) I could not find her. THe census records which give the origin point of birth was the best chance to determine where Gilbert Curries wife Catharine was born. But unfortunately when got to the Kilarrow Parish records she was not there.
regards,
Donald
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Re: Dr. David Livingston
Hi Carol,
This is the best piece of information i located in regards to the birth place in Argyllshire of your ancestor Catharine Currie:
Without a surviving baptismal or birth record from Kilarrow Islay for Catharine where she was born I am afraid there are not many other options.
1861 Scottish Census Information
Catharine Currie age 70 born abt. 1791
wife of Gilbert
born: Kilarrow, Argyll
Registration District Bowmore
Parish of Kilarrow
HIgh Street
The death record of Catharine Currie was also of some help in identifying her parents
Catharine Currie widow of Gilbert Currie died July 1,1872 age 87 years at Church Street, Bowmore
Parents: James Livingston and Catharine Niven
Marriage Entry for Gilbert Currie and Katharine Livingston married May 20, 1811 Bowmore, Kilarrow Parish
and found this one today
Marriage entry for Gilbert Currie`s parents Hugh Currie and Margaret McAlister
Hugh Currie and Peggy McAlister married January 29,1784 Bowmore, Kilarrow Parish,
That is as far back as the marriage records go for your Currie family
I could not find James Livingston and Catharine Niven in the Scottish records which is unfortunate as I was on a roll finding their name on the Catharine Livingston`s 1872 death record.
Note in the 1861 census Catharine was born abt. 1791 and based upon her age at the time of her death in 1872 I am thinking it would have been 1785 or thereabouts. So we must allow for a significant variance there.
regards,
Donald
This is the best piece of information i located in regards to the birth place in Argyllshire of your ancestor Catharine Currie:
Without a surviving baptismal or birth record from Kilarrow Islay for Catharine where she was born I am afraid there are not many other options.
1861 Scottish Census Information
Catharine Currie age 70 born abt. 1791
wife of Gilbert
born: Kilarrow, Argyll
Registration District Bowmore
Parish of Kilarrow
HIgh Street
The death record of Catharine Currie was also of some help in identifying her parents
Catharine Currie widow of Gilbert Currie died July 1,1872 age 87 years at Church Street, Bowmore
Parents: James Livingston and Catharine Niven
Marriage Entry for Gilbert Currie and Katharine Livingston married May 20, 1811 Bowmore, Kilarrow Parish
and found this one today
Marriage entry for Gilbert Currie`s parents Hugh Currie and Margaret McAlister
Hugh Currie and Peggy McAlister married January 29,1784 Bowmore, Kilarrow Parish,
That is as far back as the marriage records go for your Currie family
I could not find James Livingston and Catharine Niven in the Scottish records which is unfortunate as I was on a roll finding their name on the Catharine Livingston`s 1872 death record.
Note in the 1861 census Catharine was born abt. 1791 and based upon her age at the time of her death in 1872 I am thinking it would have been 1785 or thereabouts. So we must allow for a significant variance there.
regards,
Donald
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Hi Donald,
Sorry taken a while to get back to you. Thankyou for all your research I have found it very helpful. I looked up the census for bowmore, Argyll and found that Catherine Currie, daughter of Gilbert Currie and Catherien Livingstone is 20 years old. Therefore she was born around 1821. In the 1851 census however she has changed her name to Catherine McDougall and is a widow still living with her parents. Maybe I have been looking for the wrong Catherine so I will try to follow her and see where it takes me. Casa
Sorry taken a while to get back to you. Thankyou for all your research I have found it very helpful. I looked up the census for bowmore, Argyll and found that Catherine Currie, daughter of Gilbert Currie and Catherien Livingstone is 20 years old. Therefore she was born around 1821. In the 1851 census however she has changed her name to Catherine McDougall and is a widow still living with her parents. Maybe I have been looking for the wrong Catherine so I will try to follow her and see where it takes me. Casa
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Re: Dr. David Livingston
Hi Carol,
I am operating under the assumption that your ancestor that came to Australia was Gilbert Currie and Catharine Livingston's son Hugh Currie b.1814 Bowmore, Kilarrow Parish, Islay died 1898 Australia based on the original info you provided us on your ancestors. The records clearly stated that Gilbert Currie was Catharine Livingston's husband and that Hugh was their son. They also had a daughter Catharine born abt. 1820/1821 that you just mentioned I think but would that not have a sister of your ancestor Hugh that came to Australia?
regards,
Donald
I am operating under the assumption that your ancestor that came to Australia was Gilbert Currie and Catharine Livingston's son Hugh Currie b.1814 Bowmore, Kilarrow Parish, Islay died 1898 Australia based on the original info you provided us on your ancestors. The records clearly stated that Gilbert Currie was Catharine Livingston's husband and that Hugh was their son. They also had a daughter Catharine born abt. 1820/1821 that you just mentioned I think but would that not have a sister of your ancestor Hugh that came to Australia?
regards,
Donald